Let's pile on MSU - coaching edition
Since the boys and RCMB and other Sparties are being such a douche about being left out of BCS, we might as well just pile it on.
I say with all the open jobs in college football, there is a pretty good chance that this is the last year for Dantonio with MSU. With Hoke locking down recruiting in Michigan for the forseeable future, Dantonio's job has gotten a magnitude more difficult than compare to last several years. If he is a smart man, he should take the first decent bus out of town. If Meyer was not available, Dantonio might have signed with Ohio already.
Out of all the open (and supposedly oppening) coaching position, who is most likely to poach Dantonio out of Lansing?
My guess is that if Brown is indeed out in Texas, Dantonio has to be one of the few names in the running for the position. Dantonio could easily win national championships with all the Talent from Texas.
In the same vein, if Texas A&M came calling, he would have to listen. I would even say the same for UCLA. If UCLA finished 10-2 and second in Pac12, they would be going to a BCS bowl, unlike MSU.
What do you think? Does Dantonio finally bolt MSU? Will RCMB servers crash from all the crying?
December 4th, 2011 at 3:51 PM ^
Are you suggesting the Texas might be interested in Mark Dantonio??
December 4th, 2011 at 3:54 PM ^
I would think he has to be in the conversation. Dantonio has averaged 10 wins with MSU. He plays pro-style offense and defense which should keep all the high-profile Texas recruits in state and last well know MSU coach worked out pretty well for Alabama.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:01 PM ^
You're not helping your own argument. Dantonio has 43 wins over 5 seasons, which averages out to 8.6 per season.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:04 PM ^
That must be that "new math" I've heard about through the years. But for the sake of argument, I wonder many stretches Perles or Duffy Daugherty had that were that successful. 8.6 isn't bad for them.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:24 PM ^
They just round up out there, I suppose.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:58 PM ^
Duffy and Perles weren't playing 13 to 14 games a season though. So straight up win comparison per season may skew it.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:06 PM ^
Sorry, 10 wins over last two season. It is what the announcers said during the broadcast last night.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:05 PM ^
In what bizarro world has he averaged 10 wins at MSU? They've had a couple good seasons but he has also averaged 7 wins per for the majority of his time there. See what I did there?
December 4th, 2011 at 4:07 PM ^
Dantonio has not averaged 10 wins a year at MSU
But Brady Hoke has at Michigan.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:37 PM ^
I think Hoke will be averaging 11 wins per season at Michigan!
Go Blue!
December 4th, 2011 at 4:13 PM ^
There is a 0% chance dantonio ever coaches another team. he will retire at msu. Texas wont hire a coach who is aging and had a heart attack a year ago. this thread is moronic.
December 4th, 2011 at 6:17 PM ^
thread isn't as moronic as your tagline.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:56 PM ^
John Gruden... DUH
December 4th, 2011 at 3:52 PM ^
I don't think that Texas is looking at Dantonio, but I do agree that he's better off to take a better coaching position (say Ole miss), than stay at MSU. That said, he's probably not going anywhere.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:56 PM ^
Ole Miss is probably one of the few schools in the country in a worse position than MSU. The SEC West is brutal and they have a huge disadvantage with the history/culture there. UNC is probably the best available job outside (possibly) Texas or PSU, but they're going to want someone with ACC ties.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:40 PM ^
I agree with your assessment of Ole Miss, but I still think it's a better job than MSU. Also, UNC would be a good destination. He should move on. There are so many openings and he's taken MSU as far as he's going to take them. Plus, his stock will not get higher.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:53 PM ^
Why would Texas want Dantonio, again? The closest he's coached to Texas is Kansas in the early 1990's. He's doing a decent job at MSU, but there are questions about his ability to win big games, and Texas could bring in a coach with a proven record.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:53 PM ^
I don't know why Dantonio would leave when he's treated like a diety in East Lansing. All you have to do is listen to the guy to understand that he is a strange, smug, and egotistical man. He LOVES the way he is treated by all the sparties.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:57 PM ^
But how long would that last if he keeps losing all the top in-state recruits to Hoke? Sooner or later the quality of the team will decline as it gets harder and harder to attract local kids.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:44 PM ^
Guys. How about we win some games vs state first? This is kind of ridiculous.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:53 PM ^
Nope. He's not going anywhere. This is his dream job.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:54 PM ^
Dantonio ain't leaving MSU, and he sure as hell wouldn't receive any interest from Texas if Brown retired. I wouldn't put him in the top echelon of coaches nationwide, but he's a solid coach nonetheless. The fact that he's an insufferably sanctimonious hypocrite doesn't change that.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:09 PM ^
It takes time to bring in your guys and build something up if it wasn't humming when you got there. After 3 years at Cincinnati, Dantonio handed his program off to raving lunatic Brian Kelly and they averaged 11 wins over the next three years. After three years building things at MSU, he's gone 21-5 the last two seasons.
Texas could (and probably will) do a hell of a lot worse.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:17 PM ^
I don't really know, man. Saban never manage to do much better at MSU than Dantonio's doing right now. It's not like Michigan hasn't been winning the recruiting battles all along, but somehow, Dantonio finds a way to develop his players remarkably well. I'm not sure what about him isn't upper-echelon. He's found a way to go 11-1 and now 10-3 in consecutive seasons with MSU-level talent, picking up a conference and division title along the way. Remember how we were talking awhile about how MSU's offensive line was going to suck? Remember how that just magically disappeared and they piled up more rushing yards than Wisconsin did in the Big Ten Championship Game? I think that Dantonio has done some remarkable things, and I'm not totally sure why Texas wouldn't consider him if that came up.
December 4th, 2011 at 5:31 PM ^
So far, as well, it appears that Dantonio and his staff are doing a great job identifying talent in the Midwest run-off (e.g., Cousins, Worthy, and Martin). Except for '09, he hasn't taken *that* many recruits from UMich.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:56 PM ^
money $$$$$$$$$ was right
December 4th, 2011 at 3:59 PM ^
Only place I could see Dantonio leaving for is OSU. But obviously, that ain't happening. He might leave for an elite job elsewhere, but I doubt those schools are interested in a coach with 1 3-way split conference title.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:58 PM ^
Let's see, start with a faulty premise, then leap to unrealistic conclusions that only exist if the fautly premise is accepted. Yep, mark it down, Dantonio is the next Longhorn coach!
December 4th, 2011 at 3:59 PM ^
Dantonio is not going anywhere. I would be surprised if he did anyway.
I am no fan of his, but I will give him this: quite uncharacteristically of him, it did not occur to him to say anything snide about Michigan in the post-game interview I saw. I was waiting for it, too.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:02 PM ^
He claims to be one of two best teams in the B1G and they deserve to go to BCS bowl...subtle shot at M. He wouldn't miss the opportunity to take a shot at us cuz he's an insecure prick
December 4th, 2011 at 4:18 PM ^
Must've have missed that. Thanks for correcting me. My faith in MD is restored.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:59 PM ^
As big a douche cake as he is, he is doing a very good job in East Lansing. Expect at least 5 more years of Douchetonio
December 4th, 2011 at 4:00 PM ^
Would it be possible to hold off on the posts that mock MSU and proclaim M's superiority to MSU in all ways until after we break our 4-game losing streak to them?
December 4th, 2011 at 4:20 PM ^
Wise? Yes. Possible? Errr.... But I've been meaning to say that your avatar rocks. 'Mats rule(d)!
December 4th, 2011 at 4:00 PM ^
Let's focus on our own team and not just create flame threads about our rivals when some huge news is coming our way in a couple hours.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:03 PM ^
He's not going anywhere. Decent coach but those schools do not want him.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:18 PM ^
Saban left State before the bowl game following his fifth season on the job. Saban was 35-24-1. At the same point right now, Dantonio is 43-22. Saban finished better than 5th in the Big Ten just one time. Dantonio has shared a conference title, gone to the conference title game after winning his division, and finished in third place another time. Dantonio has averaged going 6-2 in the Big Ten over the last four seasons.
The guy is a really fucking good coach.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:31 PM ^
If what Saban did at MSU was such a big deal that he got hired at LSU, why does Mark Dantonio, who has done even better than Saban did, receiving no attention?
December 4th, 2011 at 5:32 PM ^
The Tigers missed bowl games the two years prior to Saban's arrival. They won two conference titles in the thirty years between 1971 and 2000 (Saban's first year on the job). They only went to three bowl games in the 1990's. They had a strong recruiting base and were viewed as underachievers, but it wasn't a national power by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't know what would be a current equivalent job opening (maybe UCLA?), but Dantonio could get a job of that quality in a heartbeat.
December 4th, 2011 at 6:16 PM ^
1. Saban had heat on him, always had. Might have been his NFL time. I don't know. But he was a hot name the whole time he was there to move up.
2. Saban was there when his instate rival was at it's peak, and he was always going to be 2nd fiddle in his own State. Controlling a State like Louisiana had appeal. Dantonio has had a down Michigan, and cashed in on it, so he's built a foundation and a legacy that will keep him untouchable probably ever there, unless he loses like 3 in a row to Michigan.
3. Dantonio may be a douche, but he fits along with everyone up there perfectly. Saban never really got along with anyone, and was just kept for the winning.
4. There aren't really any sleeping giant jobs out there right now, that would be better than MSU. OSU was it, and he would have had a shot if Meyer wasn't fake vacationing. UCLA can be good, but they're not LSU with that recruiting base. They can't even bounce up when USC is getting hammered. Texas is, but there's just no ties there. A&M might be interesting, but going into the SEC, with Texas-sized expectations, is that really a better situation than what he's got at MSU? The problem is, other than Texas, most of the jobs open are other little brother jobs. And why build up one of them when he already has to the level where he walks on water?
But I agree with your last statement. Mondo-dick he may be (which I'm sure we don't disagree on either), but the guy can coach. The fact that everyone thought the Spartans were going to get smoked last night, but really should have won, that was coaching. Lloyd said the rivalry was going to get closer after his last game/win against them, and it was an acknowledgement that the jokes that have rolled through E. Lansing since Saban left were done. Frankly, if Fake Bo doesn't start winning big at Nebraska, and gets the boot, I can see the battle for Michigan deciding the Legends division for a lot of years.
People of a certain age can remember when Perles was rolling, or even Saban, and they were a contender. Dantonio has them in a similar position.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:03 PM ^
"What do you think? Does Dantonio finally bolt MSU? Will RCMB servers crash from all the crying? "- from the OP
What would be Dantonio's incentive to leave again? He's got a comfortable job with a school that couldn't get anyone remotely better on short notice, and they are paying him nice wads of cash to get them within striking distance of what they would consider "greatness".
Texas is a headline job that could easily attract someone that not only knows the region better (Dantonio was in the B12 for about 15 minutes 20 years ago, as I recall), and it could also attract someone arguably better than Dantonio. Texas has no incentive to look at him seriously, in my estimation.
So, no.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:07 PM ^
I am not saying he would definitely get it. But he would be in the conversation...
And there are a lot of other positions open.
December 4th, 2011 at 5:52 PM ^
But why, if there is no realistic shot of him ending up there for the reasons mentioned in this thread?
December 4th, 2011 at 4:04 PM ^
Nah he won't leave MSU. I always knew saban would leave, but I genuinely think Dantonio is there for the long haul.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:05 PM ^
He just re-did his deal, didn't he? I don't see him going anywhere. His Buckeye-bred Wolverine hatred serves him uniquely well in EL. That visceral anger and morosity cannot be replicated toward some other regional rival.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:05 PM ^
And only a few schools would give him a chance.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:06 PM ^
Dantonio is odd but we should focus on UM...still anxious to see Hoke's second recruiting class when it is more than promising "early playing time". Missing the 2013 MI OT to ND was not a good start on that class - for Hoke or S. Morris.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:08 PM ^
Getting Shane Morris was a great way to start his second recruiting class. So your point already fails.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:18 PM ^
Also Dymonte Thomas, who got all-Ohio honors as a junior.