Opponent Stock Report (and Self Analysis) - Week 4

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This is my weekly feature to look back at summer previews, get egg on my face, look over what Michigan did, and then project the rest of the year as we get more real time data.  Last week's taking stock report can be found here.

Prelude:  I did season previews on most UM opponents - I skipped UNLV and Rutgers out of boredom, and OSU out of fear.  The rest are below

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Someone commented last week that this piece is narcissistic to which I reply "stay thirsty my friend and thank you!"

Let's begin with a look back at my summer comments about BYU with the caveat this included Taysom Hill at QB.

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(not Taysom Hill)

I opened my BYU preview with:

While I will not point to BYU as much of a "make or break" game in 2015 because Harbaugh >>>>> Hoke and I expect UM to actually improve as the year goes by (novel concept around these parts the past 7+ years) this is one of 3-4 games that will swing UM anywhere from a 6-7 win team to a 9-10 win team.  It also happens to fall into the same slot as last year's Utah game and again UM should enter no worse than 2-1 (UNLV, Ore State, @Utah).  So it's a big game that the casual UM fan will count as a "very probable" win but serious CFB fans will see as a very problematic game.  Frankly if Hoke was coaching I'd mark this as a near sure loss as I have this game tied with Minn as the 4th toughest on the schedule. #Harbaugh

 

And ended with

Maybe it is oversimplying the bazillion words above but I see this game as QB v QB.  If Taysom Hill has a great day I don't see UM winning.  If he has a bad day, UM has a great chance.  If Taysom Hill has a "normal day", Jake Rudock* needs to have a great game.      UM needs to prove it can contain a dual threat QB, it can stop a strong rush offense and its pass defense has improved from 2014.  Jake Rudock* is more than capable of carving up BYU's secondary.  But he needs the OL to provide time, and he need some semblance of a running game to keep BYU from cheating to the pass all game.  A secondary receiving threat not named Darboh or Butt emerging (Canteen? Ways?  Cole? Chesson?) would be a big help for this game.

BYU will be going through a hell of a gauntlet traveling to Nebraska and UCLA and hosting a very good Boise State squad.  You can look at this either as a pessimist or optimist - UM will have time to test some things and get players experience post Utah but will they be ready to match the intensity BYU will constantly forced to have through September?   Will BYU stay healthy after playing two P5 teams and a top non P5 squad?  Will they be mentally exhausted with the travel by then?

I expect a high scoring affair in the 30s as both defenses have areas to exploit and the opposing team has weapons to exploit those holes.  I expect a lot of exasperation from UM fans as Hill makes "stick save" types of plays all day.  If Rudock* has a 250+ yard passing type game I expect a game decided on a FG in the last minute - either way.   Last line was UM favored by 6ish; it seems smart to take those points and expect a nail biter.

So in retrospect this was a somewhat useless preview because so much of my commentary revolved around Taysom Hil vs UM defense. UM did not need to prove it could contain a dual threat QB because one was not there. (yee haw!)  Jake Rudock was more than capable of carving up this BYU pass D - well for a half anyhow.  The OL did provide all sorts of time.  There was more than semblance of a running game.  Still no secondary receiving threat after Darboh and Butt - but at this point outside of MSU and OSU there probably is not a great need for one based on calibar of future opponents.

I mentioned the BYU gauntlet could either prepare them well for this test or exhaust them.  It looked like the latter.  But it also prepared BYU for the rest of their schedule which lightens up considerably from here.  Not that we care.

It was interesting that the line in late summer was pretty much the same line before game time once it was confirmed BYU's NT was out.

So I'll consider this my first real "miss" in terms of previews - the other 3 games sort of went in line with expectation.  I hate being wrong.  Except in this case.

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These were my views of the matchups this summer, again with caveat of Hill.

UM rush off v BYU rush def - Adv: BYU.  UM's rush offense was solid vs MAC teams or when Drake Johnson ran late in the year.  Otherwise it was mostly a meh year.   And that was with a QB who was a running threat.  While Rudock* has some mobility he is not going to have DC's game plan vs the run like Denard or Devin.  So it means UM needs to be able to run using you know... running backs.   A lost art here since Molk's 2011 squad.   BYU has a UM like rush defense that does not give up big plays and UM hasn't done well against top 20ish rush defenses in years.

UM pass off v BYU pass def - Adv: UM.   For UM to win this has to be a big win.  Jake* needs a 250+ yd game IMO and the OL needs to have a good game in pass protect.  Which shouldn't be TOO difficult considering BYU basically has 1 sack threat.  Darboh needs a big game, Butt needs a big game and someone not named Darboh or Butt needs to emerge for balance in the pass game.   BYU will score so UM needs to match that - and it's going to have to come via the air.

BYU rush off v UM rush def - Adv: BYU.  This one is tricky because UM generally had a nice rush defense in 2014 when NOT playing badass rush offenses.  Then Minn comes to town and makes UM rush defense look like tissue paper.   MSU ran basically at will (I think they only threw 4x in the 2nd half).   So let's compare to Minn.   While Cobb was a better running back than Williams is, Hill is way better than Mitch Leidner.  And BYU actually throws to non tight ends.  Realistically speaking, Taysom Hill will probably be the best running back on the field that Saturday.  So my worry here is how exposed the "stout" rush defense is when actually playing teams that excel at running.  And with a QB who runs 7.4 yds per carry you have to give this to BYU.   UM also lacks speed on the edges in their linebackers IMO outside of James Ross so I fear Hill getting outside the hashes and breaking off a 40+ type run. Or two.

BYU pass off v UM pass def - Adv: BYU.   Pass defense was UM's worst unit last year.   Peppers is there now but he is still a young pup and could be tasked with spying on Hill all game.  The linebackers are going to be busy tasked with the run game and containing Hill as well so this is going to open up seams and the DBs will be asked to do a lot in relative isolation  Until they prove they can (outside of Lewis) you have to be concerned.

Advantage BYU on rush D was wrong.  UM imposed their will - esp in first half - and it was a sight to behold.   Yes BYU's bad ass NT was not in there but still I think even he would have been ground up eventually the way the team was playing.

Advantage UM on pass O was correct but Jake didn't even need 250 yds since there was not any offense from BYU.  BYU indeed had little pash rush as assumed.  Darboh had a good game, Butt was quiet outside of 1 catch but Hill had 2 nice receptions and Bunting, Poggi, and Williams contributed 1 each so we'll consider that "Buttill".

I gave BYU rush O an advantage due to Hill's dual threat ability only not due to their RB.  Without Hill it was moot.  Same issues with pass offense - Hill would have been a composed 25 year old 18th year senior who had seen it all, instead we got a freshman who played like one even if 22 years old.   That is not to take anything away from the defense which was stellar.

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Turning from the summer preview, I wrote this in last week's preview and "ha ha!" caveats apply!

BYU has big play capability thru the air.  Magnum is not super efficient - but has a huge arm.  BYU's WRs are very tall - but so are Clark/Stribling.  The run offense is TBD - was the UCLA breakout a case of UCLA not having a good run D or a case of BYU finding a new weapon?  I am leaning towards BYU finding answers at RB because UNLV put up good yardage on UCLA on the ground but once Decker went out at QB (hurt) UNLV basically only ran.   And Virginia was held to under 100 yards by UCLA on 34 carries.  That said the run game is not where I expect the defense to be hurt - it's through the air.  This will be one of 4 aerial attacks of any measure we should face this year (unless Hack comes back from the dead).

On the other side of the ball you beat BYU thru the air, not on the ground.  Paul Perkins is probably one of the best players in the country no one talks about.   If he played in the SEC he'd be right behind Chubb and Fournette as a top 3-4 RB in the conf and talked about a lot.  So BYU giving up 200+ yds to him is more a case of Perkins being good along with a stout OL than BYU sucking.   BYU had a top 25ish rush D in 2014 and did well vs both Nebraska (37 carries, 126 yds) and Boise (31 carries, 64 yds).   They generally suck in pass D - atrocious in 2014 and this year began with giving up 319 yds to Tommy Armstrong and 300 to Finley of Boise.  Rosen sucked but that's a true freshman QB doing what true freshman phenoms do a few times a year as a freshman.  So we need Rudock to be a horse in this one as BYU will get points.  Going to be a tough game - real tough.

 

It was not a tough game.  We hurt BYU thru both the air and ground.  BYU did not hurt us at all.  BYU acted sad.  BYU wanted to go home by the middle of the 2nd quarter.   It was glorious.

 

A Look at Michigan

The first half had a look of a playoff team playing a middling non P5 team.  It was amazing.  More of that please?  Jake Rudock circa 2014 returned for the 1st half.  That is all we will need for 5 of the remaining 8 games IMO.  Jake Rudock circa 2015 decided to show up in the 2nd half.  I didn't like that as much.   Jake got away with a few poor decisions that in other weeks were INTs and if the announcers were even close to correct Jake missed a lot of opportunities in the 2nd half as he looked tentative again.  That was not great to see as you hoped the 1st half would give him loads of confidence.   It didn't matter for this game but as you project the rest of the year you want to see more consistency.  That said, at least we saw hope in the 1st half performance.  Final #s were 14/25 for 198 with a TD toss and Jake had a few nice scrambles in there as well.   Distribution if you are curious were 6 to WRs, 6 to TEs, 2 to RBs.  With the type of offenses UM is going to face for half the conf schedule that is going to be more than enough, especially the 0 TOs.  (but again there were some close calls) 

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Good Smith returned.  Maybe he needs to be the starter only in even weeks (week 2, week 4, week 6) and go with Ty on odd weeks?  Smith suffered an injury late - was not sure why he was in at that point but sounds like he will be back soon enough.  I doubt we really will need him next week.  Isaac got very little play this week as they tried to get Green on track - to no avail. 10 carries for 28 yards after Smith had pounded BYU into submission and softened them up - sigh.  Green feels MAC bound in 7 months.

That defense though!  Wow.  Last year a lot of Mgoers clinged to the NCAA stats of "#7 defense" as the official NCAA stats look at nothing more than average yards given up per game.  When you look at the quality of QB play (and thus passing yardage) in the conf vs most others (exl ACC) it explains a lot of those inflated stats of many Big 10 defenses.  The advanced stats showed UM to be 35th to 40th nationally which "felt" a lot more correct. 

This year?  It feels like a top 10 defense in any realm - and I expect the advanced stats to support it when they become relevant in a few more weeks.   The DL and DBs always have an important synergy - when one plays well it helps the other.  When both play well - watch the f*** out.  That was what happened Saturday.  I am curious what Ryan Glasgows UFR reading will be because in the 1st half he looked like Mike Martin reborn.  And BYU's OL is not some garbage outfit.  Dude manhandled some punks and penetrated like (redacted for softball that's what she said prose).   Wormley was generally quiet and we're still waiting for that breakout game from Henry but this is the beauty of this line - every week it seems like different guys show up.  I believe Hurst had some really nice plays in this one too.

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Then you go back to the secondary - Stribling had a great game as best as I could tell without UFR abilities.  With eraser Lewis on one side, if Stribling can even be an "above average" Big 10 corner you have the holy grail of any defense - 2 really good CBs.  It was almost a shame that by the beginning of the 2nd quarter, Mangum was in full yips mode as I would have liked to see other guys like Clark and Peppers tested in space but these are first world problems of the highest order. 

The LBs were generally quiet as there was almost no intermediate passing game (no surprise as BYU throws to WRs 90% of the time) and the DL was cleaning up so much very little got to the second level.   Until the garbage time drive BYU had 90 yards.  Amazeballs.  All this defense was missing is creating turnovers - this has been true through 4 games.  But damn that was an awesome defensive effort and seeing development of individual players makes the heart warm.

If the defense continues to play like this, 9 wins becomes a floor even with "I'm having a hard time channeling 2014" Rudock.  The offenses of Rutgers, Minn, Northwestern, and Maryland are so pedestrian even UNLV Rudock can suffice.

 

DEGREE OF DIFFICULTY RANKINGS

Basing games on WHEN they are played and WHERE this was my general view on degree of difficulty for each opponent coming into the year and adjusted weekly,    Again this is not how good the team is in a vacuum but how they match up vs UM.

Look folks, slots 4 thru 7 are very difficult for me here.  I feel like all these teams could be placed in a grab bag and they all pose sort of the sam level of difficulty but in completely different ways.   These are the remaining swing games in the schedule.

  Week 4 Week 3 Week 2 Week 1 Preseason
1 OSU OSU OSU OSU OSU
2 @Utah MSU MSU MSU MSU
3 MSU @Minn @Minn @Utah @PSU
4 @Minn @Utah @Utah @Minn @Utah
5 BYU BYU BYU BYU BYU
6 Northwestern Northwestern @PSU @PSU @Minn
7 @PSU @PSU Northwestern Northwestern Northwestern
8 @Indiana @Maryland Rutgers @Maryland @Maryland
9 @Maryland @Indiana @Maryland Rutgers Rutgers
10 Rutgers Rutgers @Indiana @Indiana @Indiana
11 Oregon State Oregon State Oregon State Oregon State Oregon State
12 UNLV UNLV UNLV UNLV UNLV

 

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Stock Up

  • Utah (+2) - Well who saw that score coming?  While the data is too new for me to utilize, S&P+ had Utah's unadjusted offensive stats showing the team as one of the 15 least explosive offenses in the country (a fact shared by Oregon State, and UNLV) thru week 3.  Uhh, that's going to change this week.  Now keep in mind Eastern Washington destroyed Oregon's defense in Eugene too - while MSU's (at home) did not.    But larger point - I thought Utah's offense was incapable of such fireworks.   And with a pretty darn solid defense this makes Utah a very tough out if they continue to play offense anywhere near that level.   To a degree I think this was a snowball effect game - Vernon Adams was totally ineffective with his finger and we saw why the back QB is the backup QB and they handed the job to Adams after 3 weeks on campus.   All that said, you win by 42 on the road in the conf vs anyone who is not of Purdue or Colorado level - it means something.  At this point I'd have Utah as a top 10 team nationally.  A very interesting game vs Goff and top 20 Cal is next - let's see if there is a hangover and if Utah's defense can shut down that explosive Cal offense.  The Pac 12 south should continue to be an amazingly entertaining division with USC, UCLA and now Utah apparently at the top of the heap with ASU (sad face) and Arizona looking like pretenders. 
  • Indiana (+1) -  Indiana continues to surge up the rankings! 2 spots in 2 weeks!  Mostly because Rutgers and Maryland are crap teams and Indiana has a scary RB and competent QB.   Sudfeld had a pretty quiet week in Indiana terms but Howard continues to rumble thru defenses as a massive workhorse (33 carries).  Wake Forest is not a good team coming off a 3 pt loss to Army but of the "crap teams" Indiana seems the most dangerous.  I guess.  Indiana held Wake Forest to 24 pts which in Indiana terms is a shutout.

 

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Stock Down

  • MSU (-1) - To a degree I still think MSU is mailing it in but they have faced an interesting array of half decent QBs in 3 of the first 4 games.  The way to beat MSU is thru the air so they cannot play 842 guys in the box.  So they have actually faced teams with QBs who can spread them out.  Sadly the QBs at CMU and WMU are probably better than most MSU will face in the Big 10 conference.  If playing in the Pac 12 or Big 12 with their super cool aerial attacks this defense might be leading MSU to a 8-4 type of season.  But that's the benefit of Big 10 footbawl!  In the 2nd greatest rivalry of MSU football, CMU was only down 17-10 game until MSU scored a bunch late.  MSUs run defense constantly put CMU in long third downs .... that CMU convered on thru the air.   CMU could not run on MSU (2.1 ave) - shocker.  MSU also blocked 2 field goals. The 2 years of no real injuries "reversion to mean" continues to hit the team as their star LT Conklin exited in the 2nd quarter.  Still TBD on his status but with Purdue and Rutgers next on the docket he can rest a few weeks if its not serious and be back for UM.  If he is gone for a longer period of time that would mean both starting tackles are out.  MSU still looks like a good team that can beat a lot of teams even when it is not playing well - which to me, is a sign of a talented roster.  But like a lot of Carr era teams it seems to not be playing up to talent when facing mediocre opponents.  Is this a top 5 team?  Doesn't look like it - but still a top 15ish team with only 3 tests left on its schedule.  Cook was mediocre again and does not look like he has taken any measurable steps up from 2014 Cook.  The run game did pick up but this was the Chips.  Right now I am feeling a lot better about UM D vs MSU O esp if both their tackles are out for the game.  I still have a lot of concerns about UM O v MSU D since trusting Rudock to rip apart that secondary would take a big leap of faith.  But this game looks a lot closer on paper now then it did 3 weeks ago.
  • Minn (-1) - Minnesota plays Northwestern next week and I am happy for that because it will at least give me clarity on how to rank these 2 teams.  Both had uninspiring weekends and both seem built for UM to beat in a grind it out battle.  Both are built similarly with parallel strengths and weaknesses.  Minn beat the Ohio Bobcats late in a close one.   Ohio is not terrible but their 3-0 record coming into this game came against Marshall and 2 creampuffs.  Minnesota was their one "road payday" game.  Leidner actually had a very unLeidner stat line (22/32 for 264 .. and 8.2 ave!)  Rodney Smith and freshman Shannon Brooks formed a potent 1-2 punch at RB.  But Ohio did a decent job of running on Minn and their QB also had a decent game.   This is a very winnable game for UM but I need to place someone at 4 in my DOD rankings and Minnesota won the coin flips.
  • Maryland (-1) - I wrote this last week about Maryland QB Caleb Rowe "He has a big arm and takes big risks so he is INT prone."  So yeah about those 4 INTs.  Poor damn Maryland is going to go to their 3rd starting QB vs Michigan as Rowe joins Perry Hills on the bench and Ok State transfer Daxx Garman (4/9 86 yds 1 TD 1 INT) jumps to the head of the class.  Garman was wholly mediocre at OK State and with the lack of talent around him at Maryland should continue that trend nicely.  On the plus side Brandon Ross actually had a decent run game but most weeks he is usually just Brandon Ross - i.e. mediocre.  He averaged 3.8 ypc vs USF and 1.8 vs Bowling Green.  UM's defense should swallow him whole and if kind spit him out in less than 3 pieces.   Now West Virginia is one of those mid tier teams found in other conferences that can put up 40+ on you when all is clicking and thus upset the teams at the top of the conf on any given week.  The Big 10 doesn't really have teams like this hence if you are really good in the Big 10 it is difficult to be upset. Unless it's 10-9 to Minnesota.  As for Maryland, this is a horrible team and I feel bad for Will Likely.  BUT DONT KICK IT TO WILL LIKELY OUT OF COMPASSION.  Maryland is 2-2 after finishing the "easy part" of their schedule - next they play UM, OSU, PSU, Iowa (who put up 62 last week), Wisc, and MSU.  Well at least you still have basketball Maryland.

 

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Stock Flat

  • OSU - Wake me up in a month.  OSU's offense is still not playing that well and still beating meh teams.  The defense is looking good but again level of competition caveats.
  • BYU -  I didn't move BYU down despite being destroyed because again - on any given Sunday are they that much different than Northwester, Minnesota or PSU.  I don't feel like it.   It looked like a team out of gas with a QB that was lost.  I still can see this team with 8-9 wins by end of year and their close game at UCLA still carries weight.
  • Northwestern - I can sort of copy and paste the Minnesota comments here.  That said Ball State looks worse on paper than Ohio but who knows.  Ball State lost by 33 to Va Tech and beat EMU by 11.  Which is almost like losing to EMU.  Much like Leidner at Minn, freshman Clayton Thorston actually had a good game after derping around for 3 weeks (18/31, 256 yds - 8.3 ave).  That's - count em - 2 Big 10 QBs who threw for 8+ per this week!  Justin Jackson had his normal splendid game and NW probably mailed this one in a bit.   Much will be revealed next week when Minn and NW should play a scintillating 7-6 affair.
  • PSU  - Hackenberg is alive!  My main worry for PSU aside from a good defense is Hack prob has 3-4 games in him this year where he looks like a promising NFL draft prospect.  This was one of those games (21/35, 296 yds - 8.5 ave).  Wow that makes 3 - count em - 3 QBs in the Big 10 who threw for over 8 yds.  That might be a record for the past decade.  So in a strange twist, PSU has been riding its run game the past 2 weeks and as Hack showed up the run game disappeared.  San Diego State held them to a 2.1 average.  And San Diego State is not good. They lost 35-7 to Cal for example.   PSU's D held them to about 250 yds total.  Not as cool as 105 yds but what can you do.  So again - is there much different btw PSU, Minn, NW, or BYU - on any given day they pose the same challenge just in very different ways.  Night game in Happy Valley will add some degree of difficult but it is difficult to move PSU at this point.  PSU plays a weak Army squad then has a tricky game vs Indiana, before heading to the Horseshoe.  Let's see if there is an upset alert with Indiana coming in to town.
  • Rutgers  - Rutgers beat possibly the worst P5 team over the past decade - Kansas.  It means nothing.   Rutgers ran 58 times. For 312 yards.  But it's Kansas so just LOL and move on.  Janarion Grant is to kickoff returns what Will Likely is to punt returns.  So after Michigan's many TDs vs Rutgers, I'd advise to NOT KICK TO JANARION GRANT.
  • Oregon State - Oregon State looked halfway decent for a quarter or so at home vs a sleepwalking Stanford team that is still sort of a mystery.  Kevin Hogan was allowed to throw 14 times all game.  There was no need for a 15th.  Hell there was probably no need for a 8th.  I like OSU's staff and in due time they will be a quite solid team.  I still expect a lot of pain this year but maybe as their dual threat QB gets some experience they can upset a team or two along the way.  I'd truly enjoy it if one of those teams was Oregon.  Jordan Villiamin also looks like a fun player that I wish was in a UM uniform. OSU has a bye this week but then has the easy part of their schedule with the flying Rich Rods, followed by Washingon State and Colorado.  Maybe a win or two is in that group.  it gets a lot tougher from there.  Maybe in due time OSU can pass Rutgers - goals are important.
  • UNLV - UNLV put up 80 pts on some horrid FCS team that lost by "only 52" to Boise State.  Therefore UNLV > BYU.  Or something.

 

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Overall

So the outlook is less sad then last week as Iowa Rudock was found for a half.  And the defense went from "is it that good?" to "it's that good."  Unfortunately even Iowa Rudock locks in on his 1st read a lot, tends to hesitate, and throws a lot of near picks...when not throwing an actual pick.  For half the remaining games even generic Rudock is more than fine.  It might also be fine vs PSU and Indiana - depends on how the defense plays those games.  Main thing is not to do that turnover thing Jake.  Please. 

The lack of explosive offenses in conf really plays to UMs strength and should allow it to play a low risk offense itself.  4 of the next 5 weeks showcase offenses that on a good day usually hit 20 - Maryland, Northwestern, MSU, Minn, Rutgers.  I'd be very disappointed for anything less than 3 wins in that group and 4 should be "probable" at this point.  5 would be swell.

Knock on wood but Michigan has avoided the injury bug that is starting to hit a lot of teams - some of these teams just ahead on the schedule and most without the depth of an OSU or UM.  

We said last week BYU was one of the 4 "swing" games left on the schedule and if we split those 4 we are in danger of a 7 win campaign.  A split now seems extremely unlikely and 3-1 at least a floor.  That gives you 8 wins with realistic "upset" chances (if good Jake comes to town) against the 2 top teams left. 

 

Next Week

DON'T KICK TO WILL LIKELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comments

alum96

September 28th, 2015 at 12:23 PM ^

I agree.  PSU has the most "upside" if it all comes together (i.e. Hack plays well plus they have 2 RBs that could alternate).  And their D is on par with Minn and NW.  Plus night game in a great environment.

That said I need to see some quantitative evidence on the field and PSU struggles to give it to me.   Minn and NW don't have the same ceiling as PSU.  But right now PSU is not playing better than those teams.

alum96

September 28th, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^

Looks like both PSU's backs got hurt in the game which would explain the emphasis on pass.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/psu/mc-penn-state-football-san-dieg…

Without Barkley, Penn State's run game took a sharp decline.The rest of Penn State's rushing game totaled 10 yards on 26 carries. The team finished with a 2.1 yards-per-carry average, despite Barkley averaging 7.8.

Sounds like he will be back but some other injuries piling up for PSU as well.

Also Hack was only sacked 2x so that is 2 sacks in the past 3 games.  Quality of competition caveats but huge improvement from the 10 in week 1, and all of 2014.

NittanyFan

September 28th, 2015 at 3:43 PM ^

First off, I LOVE this feature every week, you do a very nice job!

Hackenberg --- the numbers looked nice but he missed TWO wide-open should have been touchdown passes that were NOT that difficult.  I wouldn't put too much stock into the numbers vs. SDSU: he is still wildly inconsistent and still is missing multiple should-be-easy passes per game.

SDSU had about 250 yards overall but about 60 was on one running play where the DE didn't contain.  Not making an excuse for a poor play by the DE, but that did inflate some already low numbers for SDSU.  

PSU is in real trouble if the 2 RBs (Barkley and/or Lynch) cannot play the rest of the season, as 3rd and 4th on the depth chart are true freshmen.  Not that they aren't talented, but they are very young and raw and that was obvious in the action they saw in the 2nd half Saturday (fairly confused on responsibilities in pass protection). 

alum96

September 28th, 2015 at 4:58 PM ^

Ok thanks for the info.  Obviously looking at box score you don't see every play by play as we would do for the UM games or any game we watch from end to end.   I am "glad" to hear that Hack is still pretty sucky.   It will be interesting to see how Indiana matches up with your defense and how the PSU offense does vs a bad B10 level defense.

Barkley has looked good from what I have seen thus far.  News reports seem to indicate it is not super serious but keep us updated.

Yes I was a bit surprised the D gave up that many to that level of team but one big play can skew the data so 190 makes more sense.  These are not Brady Hoke's Aztecs!!

Do you believe your OL is making progress?   or is this a caliber of competition thing?  Even last year they were giving up tons of sacks to bad teams ala Michigan 2013.  It appears the run blocking is solid and pass protect is at least now up to below average.

NittanyFan

September 28th, 2015 at 6:41 PM ^

Slightly better of late, but I do think it's a "caliber of competition" thing.  Even with our 3rd-string RB in there in the 2nd half, you'd think he could get "some" room - there was none.  

Scary stat from the 2nd half: PSU had 4 drives when the margin was under 16 points (e.g., game still in doubt).  Given the fairly dominant D, this is a good time to establish the run and grind clock.  But of the 8 runs on those 4 drives: maximum gain 5 yards and 4 carries that went for zero yards or a TFL.

A guy like Barkley with how shifty he is has REALLY been masking the run-block deficencies.  The other RBs do not have that ability.  

Also, I paid a lot more attention to our Tight End in Saturday's game --- his blocking is poor too.  He's definitely not helping things.

Anyway, that's pretty negative (which is good for you, LOL).  You are right, IU vs. PSU is an interesting "benchmark" game.  In those "bad D/good O vs. bad O/good D" matchups, I tend to prefer the latter.  Last year was the same deal, and we won in Bloomington by completely neutralizing Tevin Coleman.  

That game should set the tone for the rest of the PSU season.  Win that and we're 5-1 and I see us getting to 8 wins (Maryland + Illinois + the defense alone is good enough to win one among U-M, MSU and Northwestern).  Lose that one and we're 4-2 with Columbus looming, and team morale could plummet in November.  Michigan fans probably want IU to defeat PSU: IU will be excited for the U-M game regardless (let's get Motor City Bowl eligible!!!), while PSU could go either way.

Lanknows

September 28th, 2015 at 2:23 PM ^

Well, that's quite a switcheroo for you on Utah.  I'd still put MSU above them but I find it a little difficult to make the case.  The best I can do:  Oregon is overrated...  Crap, that dings MSU too.  Hmmm.  Well, they didn't look too good against Fresno and Utah State....what's that?  the criminally underrated Travis Wilson was out those game due to injury.  Ummm, errrrr... damn Utah...

But yeah - 4 to 7 are hard to rank.  My current feeling is 4.@PSU 5. Northwestern 6.@Minn 7. Still think you've got Northwestern and Minnesota crossed up. Northwestern has one bad game and 3 impressive ones, Minnesota has only 1 good and 3 bad.  I'd bump @PSU above BYU too. I think BYU is a better team, but just the context for BYU (injuries, travel, start time, schedule, prep advantage for Harbaguh) made them an easier opponent than they would be in a vacuum.

Home field, wanna-be-rival hostility, and Hackenburg plus good defense seems more likely to beat an M team than beleagured team from Utah travels to AA with a true freshman QB.  I'm going to start rooting for PSU to lose games just to mitigate how rabid that environment could be.

 

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alum96

September 28th, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^

I think both BYU and Oregon are not as bad as they looked this week.  Its a game of emotion and when you get behind big and you have a bunch of 18-23 yr olds (or in BYU case 18-26 yr olds) playing a game where confidence and emotion are as important as skill and it begins to snowball it can just get out of hand.

That said I dont think BYU is going to be a top 25 team when its all said and done - they probably finish with 8 wins and their SOS drops a ton the next few months.  Missouri is their toughest remaining opponent.  But they are a nice team who is prob equivalent to an Iowa in a typical year.

Oregon has a very manageable schedule the next 4 weeks with 2 bad teams, a mediocre (still) Washington, and a very disappointing ASU.  Cal Stanford USC and then their rivalry game to finish the year.  Could certainly see 2 more losses in there.  But on a typical Saturday they mighth be 14 pts worse than Utah, not 42. 

Lanknows

September 28th, 2015 at 3:24 PM ^

better than bad MAC teams?  Agreed. 

BYU has proven it is a good team, so the problem for them was partially situational.  That said, with a few weeks of tape available, there might be a book on Mangum now.  Still, with so many home games left and an easy schedule, you'd expect them to win out. I think Cincinnati is actually a more dangerous game than Mizzu. I don't think typical Iowa goes toe-to-toe with a top 10 UCLA team like that and I don't think they beat a potential top 10-15 team (Boise St) either.  I think you're underselling them a bit.  I'd call them more like a typical Nebraska team, especially once they get their NT back.  They should end the regular season in the top 25, especially if Boise, UCLA and Michigan continue winning.

Oregon is Oregon and they could still win 9 games and produce a ton of yards, but at this point the defensive problems are real. Their D has been backsliding and frankly their O doesn't look quite as scary without Chip Kelly - even when they had Mariota. The Pac12 is tough for anyone: with @Stanford, @ASU (disappointing or not) and USC left, that's a situation that could spiral to "just make a bowl" levels.

Ecky Pting

September 28th, 2015 at 2:26 PM ^

Here's the update to my tabulation I ginned up last week that gives a comparison of the advanced stats discussed above.  The table summarizes the actual values and national rankings for M and all its opponents this season (past & future games), and also applies a pseudo-color scale to the values relative to M's values, to make relative values more visually apparent.  So, Red => DangerTeam, Blue => as cool and inviting as the other side of the pillow, and Grey => statistical equivalence.

Some interesting things to note from this week's results:

  • The loss to Utah is not looking quite so bad. On the FPI scale, Utah is the 2nd most difficult opponent on the schedule.
  • On the S&P+ scale, owing to U-M's now-elite level defense and the added benefit of having MSU & OSU at home, U-M is the favorite or at worst a toss-up in all of it's games!
  • Per S&P+... Nobody on the schedule has a better defense than us. No-body!

Click to embiggen:

U-M Adv. Stats Sched Rundown, Wk. 4

Credits:

The root sources coming from Football Outsiders and ESPN's Monte Carlo analysis known as FPI.The basic idea for this comparison I got from SaxonRBR on CFBSH, who does something similar for the upcoming SEC games each week.

alum96

September 28th, 2015 at 2:52 PM ^

I look at S&P+ and FEI around week 6-7.  (FEI won't be released until week 7 for offense and defense per FO).

I still see a team like Utah ranked 29th in S&P+ overall which is why I can't take it serious until more data pours in.  And West Virginia is #3 in S&P+.

Zenogias

September 28th, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^

'The 2 years of no real injuries "reversion to mean" continues to hit the team as their star LT Conklin exited in the 2nd quarter.'

I just want to note that "mean reversion" does *not* mean that the fact that MSU had fewer injuries than expected the last two years implies that they will have more injuries than expected this year so that it all evens out. The belief that it all evens out is called The Gambler's Fallacy.

Mean reversion means that *future* performance will be closer to the mean than past outlying performances. MSU's relative good fortune the last few years has no bearing at all on their fortune this year (unless, of course, MSU has discovered some secret sauce that makes their players immune to injury, something that's being actively disproved this year and that would take so friggin' many trials to demonstrate anyway given how random injuries are).

Now, as you add an infinite amount of future performance to our set of samples, the initial outlying samples carry less and less weight, and so aggregate performance approaches the mean, but that's just a function of mathematical limits, not fate intervening to make sure Staee gets their fair share.

If this is what you meant all along, I apologize for being a pedant. I have a personal mission to nip the propagation of fallacies of statistics and probability firmly in the bud, and your phrasing got my alarm bells ringing.

I love reading this feature every week. Keep up the good work!

alum96

September 28th, 2015 at 2:42 PM ^

Nerd!!!!!!!!!

haha this is why I love Mgo and fellow Wolverines.

I am sure you are 100% correct but I will continue to misrepresent the term.

It is a lot like turnover margin "reversion to the mean".  Just because you had -14 TO margin in the past doesn't mean you should get +14 in the future.

Just as you avoided injuries for 2 years does not imply you MUST have injuries the next 2 years. 

But a random team in a random year should have X # of injuries so it's time for MSU to be more random and less an exception.  Maybe Narduzzi took the "special sauce" you speak of to Pitt.  Anyone know if Pitt has had any major injuries this year??  If not... ;)

bronxblue

September 28th, 2015 at 8:40 PM ^

Good stuff as usual.  I agree that BYU probably isn't a top-25 team, but the fact they played so well against UCLA the week before does make me think UM made them look silly moreso than they just had a bad game.  

The Oregon score surprised me only in that it was such a blowout; Oregon has looked pretty bad defensively all season, and Adams at QB is just not going to work.  He looks like a competent QB about half the time, which isn't going to work against anyone with a pulse.  The fact he nearly beat MSU, on the road with a broken finger, isn't a ringing endorsement for MSU.  And I don't necessarily think MSU is sleepwalking through some of these gains as much as Carr-ing through them.  They don't have that extra gear on defense like they did before, and it shows in how teams can hang around.  The offense is good for about 25-30 points a game against a mediocre-to-bad defense, and probably 20-ish against a good defense.  But in years past the defense would give them short fields and TOs, and now they just aren't.  I know you keep believing that Rudock can't pick apart this secondary, and I agree he isn't a gunslinger, but I don't think he is demonstrably worse than Zach Terrell, broken-fingered Vernon Adams, or Cooper Rush.

Brianj25

September 29th, 2015 at 11:17 AM ^

Not sure how much it matters but Terrell and Rush have been money on throws 10+ yards down the field. They're both Top-10 in the country in that regard next to names like Boykin and Kessler. They were good enough to attack MSU's secondary down field, but I think the necessity of doing that against MSU is being overstated.

Teams have gashed even their best defenses through the air by getting the ball out to the edges quickly before their gnarly front-seven has a chance to wreak havoc in the backfield. Their 2013 defense was one of the best I've ever seen and Indiana torched them by quickly getting the ball to playmakers in open space on the edges.

Rudock won't be able to attack MSU's weakness down field but he might be able to attack MSU's schematic weakness in the short passing game. 

ChiBlueBoy

September 29th, 2015 at 8:22 AM ^

If it was my comment to which you refer as calling this piece "narcisistic," obviously my attempted humor fell flat. I was talking about myself, as in personal self-analysis. I think these pieces rock like Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. I look forward to them every week. And yes, I will stay thirsty, my friend.

Thanks and keep up the good work.

Bodogblog

September 30th, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^

Ah, thanks.  Didn't realize they played Nebraska, and away.  I'd agree with you on that.  Was thinking PSU but with their dogshit OL they probably can't pull anything off.  Would be nice to see a repaired Hack with decent blocking face those iffy DB's, but that's probably not going to happen. 

alum96

September 29th, 2015 at 2:21 PM ^

By the way looking at S&P data it shows why BYU, Minn, Penn, NW are so hard to discern.

Minn and PSU are basically carbon copies

  • Minn Off: 62, Def: 11
  • PSU Off: 68, Def: 13

Minn at least had 1 real opponentent in TCU out of those 2 teams.

Then NW has the same level defense (10) but horrid offense (105).  But had 2 real opponents in Stanford + Duke.

BYU is the most balanced @ 56/39 and 4 legit opponent.

Of course still early on advanced stats but the 3 remaining swing teams all are top 13 defenses with very challenged (and in NWs case putrid) offenses.

UM is 48/4 by comparison.

jonesie022

September 29th, 2015 at 2:29 PM ^

Completely overlooked that UNLV score from this past weekend.  I don't care who you play, EIGHTY points?  

 

Wow.

 

And they scored a garbage 7 against UM.

 

How many more weeks until we start comparing the '15 defense to '97 or '06?

Sparty123

September 30th, 2015 at 12:22 AM ^

Kept setting up UNLV on a short field with a variety of turnovers and bad special teams.  Their TD drives went:

28 yards set up by a 51 yards KO return

23 yards set up by a blocked FG returned 54 yards

40 yards set up by an interception

70 yards 

11 yards set up by a blocked punt

6 yards set up by an interception

61 yards

35 yards (FG) end half

80 yards

89 yards

-6 yards missed FG set up by a fumble

INT returned for TD

56 yards

but yeah, it's a whupping.