1. If someone has poor mobility and is at their bottom they wont have enough slack to be in the proper position.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. If your point is that one's hamstring can be too "tight" or "inflexible" to hit depth in the squat, you're wrong. The bottom of a squat does not put the hamstrings in tension; their flexibility is irrelevant.
2. He didn't say this was only issue, but he simply said it was one of many possibilities.
I know. My point is that it is impossible for hamstring flexibility to prevent one from hitting depth in a squat, so it's concerning for a strength coach to identify it as even one "possibility."
3. These mobility and lack of strength in the posterior chain are also severely chronic issues in 18-19 year olds who had previously spent all their time pushing (as he mentions in the video on the sidebar post)
His job as a strength coach is to address and correct these mobility and strength deficiencies insofar as they exist, not select inferior exercises to avoid them. In any event, my point is that almost nobody in the population he's training--and almost nobody in the healthy population at large--lacks mobility sufficient to perform a full squat.
4. Also, the Bulgarian Split Squat is one of the absolute best accessory/training movements there is.
Agree to disagree, I guess. I'll put my offensive line of guys who squat 600# against your line of guys who split squat 300# any day of the week.
5. Athletes need to do (probably a lot more than they do) unilateral training, as that is much closer to the actual stimulus they are going to have on the field.
The weight room is for getting bigger and stronger, not simulating the sport. Practice is for simulating the sport.
6. I would also be very shocked if he said that kid was never going to do another back squat. The goal is to strengthen and mobilize properly to get them to be able to those other movements safely and effectively.
I hope you're right, but he seemed to be saying that guys who "lack the mobility" to squat simply do not squat.
Most pressingly, he apparently identifies players who "lack the mobility" to perform barbell back squats to acceptable depth and has them perform unilateral ("one-leg") squats exclusively. This is alarming both because it is extraordinarily unusual for any healthy, able-bodied young man--let alone an elite athlete--to actually lack the flexibility or mobility to squat properly, and because a unilateral variation necessarily presents a decreased training effect where the goal is hypertrophy (muscle gain) or strength (because it necessecitates lighter weight).
Relatedly, he asserts that the principal culprit for this purported "lack of mobility" sufficient to perform a proper full squat is a lack of hamstring mobility. This is an anatomical impossibility, as the hamstrings are "slacked" at the "bottom" of a squat and therefore cannot be the limiting factor.
I know this sounds like nit-picking, but the squat is an essential component of any good strength program. It's a relief to see that Herbert emphasizes the importance of the squat in general, but there are some disconcerting deficiencies in his understanding of its execution.
Any disparity in Gary's and Hudson's arm-length (which, in any event, has substantially less effect on one's bench press than people seem to think) is mitigated by the disparity in their respective chest/back mass; Gary's barpath probably isn't much longer than Hudson's.
That is absurdly strong for a ~210lb non-strength athlete.
Since 2006, only 10 defensive backs/safeties have exceeded 25 reps at the NFL Combine. Most were significantly heavier than Hudson, and all presumably trained the bench press-- specifically, the 225 rep test--extensively in preparation for the Combine.
As with all things fitness-related, the appropriateness of a program depends on your goals. I imagine that, in light of your particularly lean physique, you'd like to put on some muscle mass. If so, HIIT sessions--which are primarily valued for their tendency to promote fat-loss and muscle-retention--would be a perfectly fine ancillary component of your training (e.g., for heart health and general physical preparedness), but they should not be the centerpiece; your foundation should be heavy compound lifts (e.g., squat, bench, deadlift, overhead press) fueled by a significant caloric surplus from relatively clean food sources.
We talk about "outgrowing the position" a lot, and I don't think it's a concern grounded in fact. A player may continue to grow taller in his college years, but if a player is "accidentally" gaining weight without increasing in height -- regardless of the weight's composition in fat and muscle -- that would be an incredible indictment on the training staff.
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1. If someone has poor mobility and is at their bottom they wont have enough slack to be in the proper position.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. If your point is that one's hamstring can be too "tight" or "inflexible" to hit depth in the squat, you're wrong. The bottom of a squat does not put the hamstrings in tension; their flexibility is irrelevant.
2. He didn't say this was only issue, but he simply said it was one of many possibilities.
I know. My point is that it is impossible for hamstring flexibility to prevent one from hitting depth in a squat, so it's concerning for a strength coach to identify it as even one "possibility."
3. These mobility and lack of strength in the posterior chain are also severely chronic issues in 18-19 year olds who had previously spent all their time pushing (as he mentions in the video on the sidebar post)
His job as a strength coach is to address and correct these mobility and strength deficiencies insofar as they exist, not select inferior exercises to avoid them. In any event, my point is that almost nobody in the population he's training--and almost nobody in the healthy population at large--lacks mobility sufficient to perform a full squat.
4. Also, the Bulgarian Split Squat is one of the absolute best accessory/training movements there is.
Agree to disagree, I guess. I'll put my offensive line of guys who squat 600# against your line of guys who split squat 300# any day of the week.
5. Athletes need to do (probably a lot more than they do) unilateral training, as that is much closer to the actual stimulus they are going to have on the field.
The weight room is for getting bigger and stronger, not simulating the sport. Practice is for simulating the sport.
6. I would also be very shocked if he said that kid was never going to do another back squat. The goal is to strengthen and mobilize properly to get them to be able to those other movements safely and effectively.
I hope you're right, but he seemed to be saying that guys who "lack the mobility" to squat simply do not squat.
There's a lot to like about this hire, but I have some concerns after listening to a recent S&C presentation of his (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGYB0TOnTWk).
Most pressingly, he apparently identifies players who "lack the mobility" to perform barbell back squats to acceptable depth and has them perform unilateral ("one-leg") squats exclusively. This is alarming both because it is extraordinarily unusual for any healthy, able-bodied young man--let alone an elite athlete--to actually lack the flexibility or mobility to squat properly, and because a unilateral variation necessarily presents a decreased training effect where the goal is hypertrophy (muscle gain) or strength (because it necessecitates lighter weight).
Relatedly, he asserts that the principal culprit for this purported "lack of mobility" sufficient to perform a proper full squat is a lack of hamstring mobility. This is an anatomical impossibility, as the hamstrings are "slacked" at the "bottom" of a squat and therefore cannot be the limiting factor.
I know this sounds like nit-picking, but the squat is an essential component of any good strength program. It's a relief to see that Herbert emphasizes the importance of the squat in general, but there are some disconcerting deficiencies in his understanding of its execution.
Prospect profile page:
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=234348
Any disparity in Gary's and Hudson's arm-length (which, in any event, has substantially less effect on one's bench press than people seem to think) is mitigated by the disparity in their respective chest/back mass; Gary's barpath probably isn't much longer than Hudson's.
That is absurdly strong for a ~210lb non-strength athlete.
Since 2006, only 10 defensive backs/safeties have exceeded 25 reps at the NFL Combine. Most were significantly heavier than Hudson, and all presumably trained the bench press-- specifically, the 225 rep test--extensively in preparation for the Combine.
As with all things fitness-related, the appropriateness of a program depends on your goals. I imagine that, in light of your particularly lean physique, you'd like to put on some muscle mass. If so, HIIT sessions--which are primarily valued for their tendency to promote fat-loss and muscle-retention--would be a perfectly fine ancillary component of your training (e.g., for heart health and general physical preparedness), but they should not be the centerpiece; your foundation should be heavy compound lifts (e.g., squat, bench, deadlift, overhead press) fueled by a significant caloric surplus from relatively clean food sources.
they're going to play a game in rome
We talk about "outgrowing the position" a lot, and I don't think it's a concern grounded in fact. A player may continue to grow taller in his college years, but if a player is "accidentally" gaining weight without increasing in height -- regardless of the weight's composition in fat and muscle -- that would be an incredible indictment on the training staff.
that seems fair
Ah! My apologies -- I could have sworn O'Neill was listed on one of these.
FYI: You seem to have indicated the Maryland specialists on both the Maryland Offense and Maryland Defense FFFFs.
A small nit in an otherwise fantastic piece.
i like when brian says "go blue"
oh word
hey remember that guy who took those pictures with mitch mcgary on his recruiting visit
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1739903-how-to-build-a-bully-inside-…
this is funny but i downvoted you because it cannot become a thing that people do because my heart can't take it
Datsyuk is on the shelf for 3 weeks, per Holland :-(
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In beautiful loop form:
I'll cherish this forever.
He wrote
Tim was a bum.
He wrote poorly and greeted every criticism with a power trip.
Somehow, there's still no WAR metric for internet personalities.
Reporting in for receipt of wigeon's mgopoints.
Everything's coming up roses for me in Row A.
So how many Buckeyes get duped by this elaborate ruse?
The original OP title
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The original OP title was explicitly "non-football."
want football
FOR NO REASON THIS
Context
Please, please this:
Awesome post. Not football, but I can't resist:
One way (probably not the most efficient):
1) E-mail the pictures to yourself.
2) Open the e-mail on your iPhone
3) Tap and hold on the desired picture
4) Tap "Save Image"
5) In your camera roll, select the image and tap the icon in the lower-left corner that looks like a rectangle with an arrow shooting out.
6) Tap "Use as Wallpaper"
Herm's wish is my command.
"'Mental attitude is as important as physical condition' Crisler tells his Michigan squad."
That's Lewan, by the way.
Denard Xavier Robinson on the Deerfield Beach Packer Rattlers.
NHL.com Signing Tracker
Good Twitter follows for FA period:
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
NHLwiki @NHLwiki
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1) Save pic onto computer
2) Upload pic onto imgur.com
3) Copy image URL
4) Start a new comment and click this icon:
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I'll never root for another athlete the way I rooted for Hunnie. Mike Hart, Zack Novak status - and then some - in my eyes.
So long, kid. You're a beauty.
Oh, so it's called the 2nd round now?
Trevor Yealy for lacrosse (2012).
Mark Mitera for hockey (2009).
Chad Kolarik for hockey (2008).
http://www.nhl.com/ice/eventhome.htm?location=/deadline/2012/experience…
Watch the TSN "Trade Centre" show live.
Something appears to be missing here.