Semi OT: Trouba with Crazy Flying Check
Former Wolverine Jacob Trouba attempted to make a scary 'jumping' check along the boards in last night's playoff game. Thankfully, this one looks worse than it turned out, as both players are fine and played on.
That said, it looks pretty nasty. Live to skate another day boys.
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He missed.
You come at the...whoever that guy was...you best not miss.
(Unless you hit him with the skate on the downward slope.)
Trouba missed, and committed a boarding penalty on himself. This was an opportunity for an on-ice official to make a legendary call! But they missed, too.
This reminds me of the time Chris Pronger tried to take out Steve Yzerman and in the process blew out his knee when Yzerman ducked.
I remember watching that game live and laughing out loud as that happened.
I though leaving one's feet to initiate a check merited a major penalty at the least, and this particular instance looks game misconduct worthy. What on earth is Trouba thinking? Checking the box score, it looks like that was only a 2 minute penalty for boarding. What's next for Hockey? Fistfights?
Should have been a match penalty. Once you take off your maize and blue glasses, you have got to realize this guy is a goon. I wish the NHL would apply their rules fairly to Trouba. Department of Player Safety is anything but.
Match penalty? For what?
He left his feet and tried to throw and elbow at the guy's head. If he connected with that he'd have potentially injured the guy and gotten himself suspended. Match penalty 100%.
Provide the rule and language that says it's a penalty in the NHL to leave one's feet on the follow through of a hit.
42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner. Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.
Trouba seems like a soft spoken, legit nice guy off the ice from what I've read. This attempted hit was wrong on a couple levels, however, especially the left elbow just missing the head. Hockey is tough game but a brain injury is always awful, especially if avoidable.
Yep, that’s the rule I figured would be cited, except… he didn’t jump, so the rule doesn’t apply. As for the elbow missing the head… that isn’t a think if Necas doesn’t duck out. Both of which are why it wasn’t a penalty and it won’t be reviewed for supplemental discipline.
I truly don't see how you can say "he didn't jump" with any degree of seriousness.
Because the are clear images of this from two different angles in this thread showing his skates still on the ice at the moment of impact.
How did he launch himself into the boards if he didn't jump??
Edit: Looks like he actually launched himself because his lower body hit the other player.
is this one of the many self-upvoted posts you did on this topic? pathetic, man.
Its only a penalty if you leave your feet before the check. If you leave your feet after trying to check, and miss... well, its just funny and lucky he didn't hurt himself.
They didn't call this a penalty at all.
Launched and threw an elbow at his head. Missed and smashed his own head. He was lucky he didn’t get hurt or get a cheap shot penalty.
No penalty was called on that play. I'm not a referee, but that play looks legal all the way. The Canes player has the puck when Trouba starts the check. Trouba's skates are on the ice when the Canes player ducks under the check and Trouba flies over him because he's targeting the chest. No boarding, no charging, no cross-check, no interference that I can see.
Exactly this. Necas goes down which causes Trouba to fall forward and perpendicular, arms come up to brace his fall.
You cannot launch yourself into another player. He clearly did, yes this should have been called a penalty.
Was Trouba "launching himself" before Necas' contact with his skates or after?
He definitely didn't.
There is nothing at all against the rules with how he initiated this hit. Nothing at all.
It's reckless and his skates left the ice and were in the area of the players head. Sure, at some point upon attempting to initiate the hit his feet were on the ground because, well, that's were all flying checks start from. The intent here is quite obvious and his skates go airborne .
This is a penalty and given there was contact (skate to head) should have been a major.
So, you're saying that Necas falling had nothing to do with Trouba's trajectory?
Nope, slow it down. He was on his skates initiating the check. Necas goes down and takes Trouba's legs out from under him, he goes off the ice at that point and into the wall. No penalty.
First image is moment of impact - you can clearly see he's still on his skates and aiming chest-high. Second image is a few frames later where he leaves his feet due to the his upper body momentum and his legs being blocked by Necas.
There was no launching. He may be a goon, but this is not a penalty.
i don't know, man. guys like trouba or draymond have reputations for a reason, and you can often find some way to say it wasn't a penalty, or a foul, or a cheap shot. embiid was just protecting himself when he grabbed that dude's leg, right? if it was a one-time thing, sure. but when it happens over and over it's not an accident.
Like I said:
He may be a goon, but this is not a penalty.
well, it's also not a penalty because he didn't finish the hit, so there's that.
This does not show the elbow thrown at the head.
I’m a huge proponent of physicality within the rules. Punish and pound.
I’m not so sure about this play.
Did the elbow hit the head or not? I didn’t see an angle where that contact was made. If not, there’s no penalty. It isn’t against the rules to almost hit somebody.
I played against Trouba growing up, he definitely toes that line between being a physical presence and just flat out dirty. But within the framework of the rules, this is not a penalty. You can argue “intent” until you’re blue in the face, but intent doesn’t create nor negate a penalty. It’s either an illegal play based on what DID occur or it’s not.
Shows photographic proof...
i don't know, man
thus missing the point entirely. i'm not saying it's a penalty. i'm saying he was trying to injure someone, and yes, failed. it's not that complicated.
So the point is that they should have assessed a penalty due to his assumed motivation and past history? What is this, Minority Report?
Draymond kicking a guy in the balls is a foul no matter how you slice it. This is in no way a penalty, whether or not Trouba is a goon.
by all means, show me where i say he should've gotten called for a penalty.
this notion of "oh, it was going to be a clean hit because he was aiming for his chest and the guy lost his feet and his momentum took him off his skates," or whatever? no launching? please. this is his m.o.
Exactly this. 100% not a penalty. It's only even a conversation because Necas went down, which makes it look bad. Thanks for providing this.
His skates were on the ice until Necas' skates cut Trouba's out from under him. At that point his momentum takes him horizontal into the boards. If we go by your interpretation, a player should always dive at the other player's feet, since their skates will come off the ground as they fall and become a charging penalty.
Trouba is a player that plays right up to (and sometimes across) the line between physical and dirty, so assumptions are being made here. But we never got to see how the hit would have played out if Necas hadn't ducked it and accidentally or intentionally undercut Trouba.
I mean, he was trying to elbow the guy.
If you watch the video his feet are on the ice when he makes initial contact with the player, he basically just trips over the player. You'd like to see him go in with more control but this is just an unfortunate scenario where the player falls as Trouba is about to hit him.
Trouba is a great player but he’s also a thug. He’ll go down in history as one of the dirtiest players ever. I’m sure he has no problem with this and probably takes pride in his “enforcer” mentality. He’s a head hunter who gets off on injuring people. Plain and simple.
Trouba's skate hitting the player in the back of the head upon landing is very scary. Blades should never be that near to the neck. Losing body control due to your own actions and having your skates go flying in the air is not a good look.
I was going to ask if this was head hunting or some weird term I don't know. I'm surprised there wasn't a fight after that.
If Necas stays on his skates, hit looks like it would be through his chest but it's hard to know for sure.
If you stop action the video it is clear that Trouba is in an upright position as he is about to make contact. At the last instant his target drops sideways to the ice taking Strouba's feet out from under him and causing him to superman into the boards. The effect is like cutting a hard charging defenders legs out from under him with a body block in football. It's not clear whether the guy intentionally dropped down or lost his skates as he was attempting to avoid the contact.
That makes sense. At first I thought the slow mo and the real time speed clips were different hits. The real time looks like a good legit hit and the slow mo looks like he was trying to kill the guy.
If you stop the video from the cross ice view, it is clear Trouba aims his left elbow at Necas' head. He may have started at the chest, but his launch and extended left wing are clearly aimed upward. It's an attempted dirty hit with intent to injure.
This is an excellent picture of his skates still on the ice at moment of impact. Thank you! It's not evidence of an elbow. Why? Because even this image is completely fine if it - the elbow up like this - is the follow through. Which it was. And do you know what else it's a great example of? Optical illusion. Why? Because if you couple this image up with the video from the opposite angle it is clear as day that Trouba lead with his shoulder with his elbow tucked and his elbow only gets to the position shown in this image after his arm is beyond Necas' head. And so what looks like a "lead with the elbow" is actually an elbow that is completely past Necas and behind his head.