It is Mid May. Do you know where your expectations were vs us Mid May in 2021? Off the charts my friend, off the freakin charts. We didnt stand a chance. Off season Buckeyes were coming for us!! Im not talking about the ass beating in November Im talking about the off season bragging. Same shit different year. Kerry Combs wasnt the NFL (to be) Qb that put up 2 touchdowns. 14 points through the air. What a joke. All that shit talk and still 2 more ass beatings to come. I asked the board this the other day how many losses before you tread lightly in the offseason? 10? 20?
SEC recruiting flavors of the week to me would be Texas A and M, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee and Ole Miss. They pull in highly ranked recruits no matter what their record is.
Kentucky and Mizzou arent getting anywhere near a top 100 recruit. Not on a regular basis anyway.
You are head and shoulders better than us just like in 21. Shit QB in Cade, mediocre defense, line backer as our lead running back? Ha! What trash that roster was. Cade beat CJ Stroud dude you think superstars scare us? Hassan Haskins destroyed your defense with no passes needed. Donovan Edwards ran all over you guys. Are you puffing out your chest with more of this "What should happen" BS? Save it for 11 warriors your offseason championships are boring and repetitive and I hate reruns. Be humble for once in your fanbases history. Try something new. Go the anti-Ryan day route.
We did the same thing last year and secured our 3rd win in a row. Youve always spent more than us. What oline or QB better than CJ Stroud did you secure to elevate your team? Your defense was fantastic last year, your WRs have been NFL level for a few years, Stroud was as good as they get. Other than off season shit talk what ya got? Hope? We had a coach that sold hope. He had 1 win vs his biggest rival before he got shit canned too. Bold move to talk trash against a team that has whooped your ass when you have every advantage. More advantages? Fuck it lets go.
Its like a draft but when a rando SEC team misses out they take the top spot.
1st 25 picks of the high school draft -Bama, Georgia, OSU,
Next 25 picks of the high school draft -random SEC flavor of the week (rotate them to the 4th spot if they missed out recently) and Oregon (all teams above still in the rotation)
Next 100 picks USC PSU UM Clemson ND (all teams above still in the rotation)
Harbaugh just went 40-3 with classes that averaged 15th in the country. Those werent elite recruits outside of JJ, Blake, D Edwards, and Will Johnson. That was ELITE development.
Harbaugh averaged 3.5 losses a season with Hoke recruits. If Harbaughs recruiting wasnt elite leading up to 40-3 why do you think Hokes was? Im confused what you thought that shit show 5-7 squad looked like? Its the coach and development that was the difference not the UM recruiting bump Hoke got. Harbaugh went 28-11 with Hokes recruits. That is not something Jim Harbaugh does with an elite roster of players. See above for an example.
All that talent lost 7 games the year before. Id say what Harbaugh did was miraculous adding on 150 points to the scoring just one season after Hoke.
Lost to ND by 31
Lost to Utah by 16
Lost to Minnesota by 16
Lost to RUTGER
Lost to MSU by 24
Lost to MARYLAND
Lost to OSU by 14
Lots of potential once Hoke moved on. Lots of over achievers. Tons of development by a superb coaching staff. Many ingredients to make that turnaround happen but make no mistake the chef that made that dish was Harbaugh.
Preseason and conference tournament schedules will be an absolute disaster for him and his show. If you have a full time career and get hired to another (more than) full time career wtf are your bosses doing?
Crazy idea but I bet they could train a really good Keith Jackson impersonator and make him knowledgeable on the sport enough to do a good job. I mean Pam whats her name has a job. I would totally be ok with a poor mans Keith Jackson the rest of my days. Kinda joking.
I got ya JH not trying to swim up stream just trying to figure out all the challenges that are unique to our top 4 program. What a cluster of a million paper cuts. Was hung up on the 250k for sure. Thought it was being considered as a real number. Same team fellas. Just sharing some confusion/frustration with the only outlet available. Im not local so I dont have several UM friends local to chat with.
I agree with everything you say here Billy. I think we got off on a tangent. I dont want to say were doomed I just want to figure out the fix. My hope is we fill in the blank on how Purdue, Kentcuky, and Illinois are no longer recruiting rivals.
Then tell me the $250k is a made up number so I know that. That is a very big part of this discussion yeah? Warde and Harbaugh dont handle our NIL so this should be an easy win for us no? Im not trying to be difficult $250k is a big number none of us would say no to so I think its important you state real numbers here as its changes the equation yeah? Your basis of your point cant be $250k in cold hard cash then flippy flop to "thats just a made up number" that is non sensical. Michigan has got to have some NIL program for incoming players thats the truth of it. I would 100% imagine we dont hard pass NIL deals on incoming blue chippers that is 2022. That would be suicide. Jim Harbaugh isnt running the NIL program anymore.
Texas leads NIL money according to On3 at around 100k+ per player. Im not sure where we got this $250k but ill go one up on you. There is a better chance he makes $500k at Michigan before all is said and done before he makes $250k at Kentucky.
This board is relentless. They tell me we cant compete in baseball because we are a football school but we also cant compete with Kentucky, Ill, or Purdue in football as a blue blood? I am just curious why Kentucky has $250k in the coffers for a kid that has never played for them but our NIL doesnt? Ill need a better explanation than we cant compete with Kentucky football money. Seriously?
He wants to start right away? Sure, but then why is Georgia 50 blue chippers deep. What is the secret they arent being poached or beaten by the second tier teams? I dont know the answer but Im hoping someone may have something other than "they are immune and we arent". Im not trying to doom and gloom I promise. Im trying to understand the specifics of all of this.
Recruits dont care about winning or crazy high NFL draftee % . Once we figure out NIL that wont matter. Recruiting goalposts have wheels now. Its a crazy time in sports. 13 kids going drafted from U of M is > then 4 total kids going from Ill, Purd, and Kentucky combined. The ratio is huge in U of M players favor. Huge. And that isnt the 75k they are getting from those schools ($250k is nonsense from those 3 schools - absolute nonsense) that is several millions in NFL money. Its my fault Im not really going to buy any of this anytime soon so I apologize for being stubborn on this, for real.
National champs lose recruiting battles all the time to Kentucky, Illinois and Purdue. Its simple math SHS. Top 5 programs, other than us, dont seem to have these problems. Im not trying to be snarky (maybe a bit) but I cant wrap my brain around it. If this was truly the case Georgia, OSU, and Bama wouldnt be 2 deep on blue chippers. I dont buy it. Sounds like the old U of M Eeyore routine.
Our baseball team cant compete with anyone because we are a football school but our football recruiting can compete with basketball schools. Im done with the nonsense.
Someone will try to explain Kentucky or Illinois beating us for a recruit but ill still never understand. I kind of feel like competing with them in the first place may be bad news long term but losing to them yeesh. If you want to talk money welp we can wipe our ass with UK and ILL football money not to mention isnt NFL money the number 1 factor here? Taking a half a round in the draft isnt enough of a recruiting bump vs mediocre programs? Im not freaking out just trying to make sense of it.
I wouldve been 100% ok with some NIL money to support him and him taking the year off to learn coaching while on the sidelines. Lots more NIL money than GA money and he couldve learned on the job. Hope he is a super intelligent guy from what Ive heard. Get better Trente we are rooting for you!
Yeah I agree 100% maybe we arent exactly Stanford or Yale but being closer to them then the Alabamas of the world has to tell you something. Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern are historically bottom feeders and it has to be a real challenge.
2021 - "Boy if Ryan loses back to back next year at home he is gone!"
Spring 2022 OSU named offseason champs of the Big Ten
2022 - "Cant wait until next year. He loses three years in a row he is gone!"
Spring 2023 OSU named offseason champs of the Big Ten
2023 - "No seriously one more loss to U of M and this guy is gone!"
Spring 2024 OSU named offseason champs of the entire world
I uh... I just dont know why casual fans fall for this? I get it as an OSU fan but some random fan telling me OSU will for sure win this year Im like "your memory is for shit!"
He donated a sizable chunk of cash to Hoek's go fund me page. He and the family were going through some rough times. Pretty proud of Chuck to be honest. I thought he was pretty cool before but he has a lifetime pass with me.
Rotate me Eli, X (Z), MAAR, and Derrick Walton until the end of my days and Id be happy. All these McDonalds AA watching our guys in the final four is just such a tasty treat.
They just lost to UM for the 3rd time in a row, missed the playoffs, lost the best QB on their roster, and got crushed by Mizzou in e/very facet of the game. But currently they are riding high like a championship is on its way!?! Short of the last time they won a championship this fanbase has never been more excited. My question is this, If Ryan Day can pull this Houdini act once again you guys think the following would lead to him being fired?
10-2 lost to Michigan/Oregon
Playoff win at home round 1
Playoff loss round 2
So he loses his job after that but kept it after a back to back to back losing run vs UM and an ass beating to Mizzou followed by the euphoria of being offseason champs for the 22nd consecutive season? Im not so sure. They always have the future to sell. Always.
Buckeye Chuck you will always get love from me brother for what you did to help out one of our Mgobloggers. You may be a mad man from a mad fanbase but you are always welcome here. Give me his downvotes he has earned it. That being said you are still crazy!
mtzlblk same thing with me living in California. At first everyone was enraged and family was calling me, my weak ass UM fan friends were ready to give up, it was a mess. But just like when OSU busted our ass by illegally paying recruits winning fixed everything. Once we beat PSU, OSU, won the big ten, beat Bama, beat Washington and won the championship nobody gave a rats ass. Now here is the rub, if we lose any of those games the cheating thing sticks. One random bounce of the ball in the OSU game and its an entirely different world.
The lack of reasoning for us being guilty the first week the story broke was about as dumb as it was for us being innocent after those wins but here we are. If Harbaugh ran a cheating program you think an NFL franchise hands him the keys and says "Its all you coach"? Come the fuck on they arent morons. No it was clickbait and the feeding frenzy was wild. Its over now and the best youd get if you brought it up to a casual fan is "Oh yeah whatever happened with that?". We are a top rival for 2 fanbases, top 3 for another 3-4 schools, hated by the SEC so there were lots of willing participants. Schools like UM, PSU, OSU, USC, Arizona St, Ok st etc will keep getting feed to the NCAAs while SEC teams will stay squeeky clean. Some day us non-SEC fans will figure it out and stop eating our own.
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When Iowa scores more total points than MSU you dont bail them out with PPG average.
Funny thing is Iowa had MSU beat with 120 minutes + of football left and added exactly zero points to that total.
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Someone explain weekend. Dont try to say it proper now that I brought it up. Say it the way you just said it. When and why did we add the Y?
You didnt want rouse her anger. Its all over now. She is like Hutch on the d line just calling out your name.
It is Mid May. Do you know where your expectations were vs us Mid May in 2021? Off the charts my friend, off the freakin charts. We didnt stand a chance. Off season Buckeyes were coming for us!! Im not talking about the ass beating in November Im talking about the off season bragging. Same shit different year. Kerry Combs wasnt the NFL (to be) Qb that put up 2 touchdowns. 14 points through the air. What a joke. All that shit talk and still 2 more ass beatings to come. I asked the board this the other day how many losses before you tread lightly in the offseason? 10? 20?
SEC recruiting flavors of the week to me would be Texas A and M, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee and Ole Miss. They pull in highly ranked recruits no matter what their record is.
Kentucky and Mizzou arent getting anywhere near a top 100 recruit. Not on a regular basis anyway.
You are head and shoulders better than us just like in 21. Shit QB in Cade, mediocre defense, line backer as our lead running back? Ha! What trash that roster was. Cade beat CJ Stroud dude you think superstars scare us? Hassan Haskins destroyed your defense with no passes needed. Donovan Edwards ran all over you guys. Are you puffing out your chest with more of this "What should happen" BS? Save it for 11 warriors your offseason championships are boring and repetitive and I hate reruns. Be humble for once in your fanbases history. Try something new. Go the anti-Ryan day route.
I gave her a quarter back. She said if you cant fold it hold it. Last time I offer her a tip.
We did the same thing last year and secured our 3rd win in a row. Youve always spent more than us. What oline or QB better than CJ Stroud did you secure to elevate your team? Your defense was fantastic last year, your WRs have been NFL level for a few years, Stroud was as good as they get. Other than off season shit talk what ya got? Hope? We had a coach that sold hope. He had 1 win vs his biggest rival before he got shit canned too. Bold move to talk trash against a team that has whooped your ass when you have every advantage. More advantages? Fuck it lets go.
Your mom cleaned us out. Also we may have some kids developing just yet but good luck figuring out who the father is.
Its like a draft but when a rando SEC team misses out they take the top spot.
1st 25 picks of the high school draft -Bama, Georgia, OSU,
Next 25 picks of the high school draft -random SEC flavor of the week (rotate them to the 4th spot if they missed out recently) and Oregon (all teams above still in the rotation)
Next 100 picks USC PSU UM Clemson ND (all teams above still in the rotation)
Shouldve seen this coming.
And thats the double truth Rooth.
South Carolina checking out us out to see what they may want in the 2025 portal.
I gave you your 4th upvote. It seemed appropriate.
That is a very hard lean to not first round QB play. Can he Milroe himself by seasons end? That would be amazing.
Yes this.
Hoke was amazing. Jim should thank his lucky stars he got elite recruits. Sorry Mrs. Hoke.
Dang you all. I get goofy over rat pack knock off concerts. Wow man share some stories on an OT post one day.
Best entertainer of his time. Maybe all time? That voice though.
Harbaugh just went 40-3 with classes that averaged 15th in the country. Those werent elite recruits outside of JJ, Blake, D Edwards, and Will Johnson. That was ELITE development.
Harbaugh averaged 3.5 losses a season with Hoke recruits. If Harbaughs recruiting wasnt elite leading up to 40-3 why do you think Hokes was? Im confused what you thought that shit show 5-7 squad looked like? Its the coach and development that was the difference not the UM recruiting bump Hoke got. Harbaugh went 28-11 with Hokes recruits. That is not something Jim Harbaugh does with an elite roster of players. See above for an example.
All that talent lost 7 games the year before. Id say what Harbaugh did was miraculous adding on 150 points to the scoring just one season after Hoke.
Lost to ND by 31
Lost to Utah by 16
Lost to Minnesota by 16
Lost to RUTGER
Lost to MSU by 24
Lost to MARYLAND
Lost to OSU by 14
Lots of potential once Hoke moved on. Lots of over achievers. Tons of development by a superb coaching staff. Many ingredients to make that turnaround happen but make no mistake the chef that made that dish was Harbaugh.
Preseason and conference tournament schedules will be an absolute disaster for him and his show. If you have a full time career and get hired to another (more than) full time career wtf are your bosses doing?
The Ryan Day of GMs. "We need game changing WRs and that is all that matters!"
Recruiting services loved Hoke's recruits. Ring makers love Harbaugh's recruits
Sinatra is like that gateway drug. Soon enough you are listening to Dean and Sammy then full recordings of them all together. Such good music!
Thank you sir! Lots of really good points.
Sorry man ill do better.
Crazy idea but I bet they could train a really good Keith Jackson impersonator and make him knowledgeable on the sport enough to do a good job. I mean Pam whats her name has a job. I would totally be ok with a poor mans Keith Jackson the rest of my days. Kinda joking.
I got ya JH not trying to swim up stream just trying to figure out all the challenges that are unique to our top 4 program. What a cluster of a million paper cuts. Was hung up on the 250k for sure. Thought it was being considered as a real number. Same team fellas. Just sharing some confusion/frustration with the only outlet available. Im not local so I dont have several UM friends local to chat with.
"Whoaaaaa nelly thats a humdinger of a belly whopper"
Thats the quote I remember.
I agree with everything you say here Billy. I think we got off on a tangent. I dont want to say were doomed I just want to figure out the fix. My hope is we fill in the blank on how Purdue, Kentcuky, and Illinois are no longer recruiting rivals.
Then tell me the $250k is a made up number so I know that. That is a very big part of this discussion yeah? Warde and Harbaugh dont handle our NIL so this should be an easy win for us no? Im not trying to be difficult $250k is a big number none of us would say no to so I think its important you state real numbers here as its changes the equation yeah? Your basis of your point cant be $250k in cold hard cash then flippy flop to "thats just a made up number" that is non sensical. Michigan has got to have some NIL program for incoming players thats the truth of it. I would 100% imagine we dont hard pass NIL deals on incoming blue chippers that is 2022. That would be suicide. Jim Harbaugh isnt running the NIL program anymore.
Texas leads NIL money according to On3 at around 100k+ per player. Im not sure where we got this $250k but ill go one up on you. There is a better chance he makes $500k at Michigan before all is said and done before he makes $250k at Kentucky.
This board is relentless. They tell me we cant compete in baseball because we are a football school but we also cant compete with Kentucky, Ill, or Purdue in football as a blue blood? I am just curious why Kentucky has $250k in the coffers for a kid that has never played for them but our NIL doesnt? Ill need a better explanation than we cant compete with Kentucky football money. Seriously?
He wants to start right away? Sure, but then why is Georgia 50 blue chippers deep. What is the secret they arent being poached or beaten by the second tier teams? I dont know the answer but Im hoping someone may have something other than "they are immune and we arent". Im not trying to doom and gloom I promise. Im trying to understand the specifics of all of this.
Recruits dont care about winning or crazy high NFL draftee % . Once we figure out NIL that wont matter. Recruiting goalposts have wheels now. Its a crazy time in sports. 13 kids going drafted from U of M is > then 4 total kids going from Ill, Purd, and Kentucky combined. The ratio is huge in U of M players favor. Huge. And that isnt the 75k they are getting from those schools ($250k is nonsense from those 3 schools - absolute nonsense) that is several millions in NFL money. Its my fault Im not really going to buy any of this anytime soon so I apologize for being stubborn on this, for real.
National champs lose recruiting battles all the time to Kentucky, Illinois and Purdue. Its simple math SHS. Top 5 programs, other than us, dont seem to have these problems. Im not trying to be snarky (maybe a bit) but I cant wrap my brain around it. If this was truly the case Georgia, OSU, and Bama wouldnt be 2 deep on blue chippers. I dont buy it. Sounds like the old U of M Eeyore routine.
Our baseball team cant compete with anyone because we are a football school but our football recruiting can compete with basketball schools. Im done with the nonsense.
Someone will try to explain Kentucky or Illinois beating us for a recruit but ill still never understand. I kind of feel like competing with them in the first place may be bad news long term but losing to them yeesh. If you want to talk money welp we can wipe our ass with UK and ILL football money not to mention isnt NFL money the number 1 factor here? Taking a half a round in the draft isnt enough of a recruiting bump vs mediocre programs? Im not freaking out just trying to make sense of it.
Wishing the best for you as well SQ. We may squabble from time to time (mgobloggers in general) but we are family. Get well my friend!
I wouldve been 100% ok with some NIL money to support him and him taking the year off to learn coaching while on the sidelines. Lots more NIL money than GA money and he couldve learned on the job. Hope he is a super intelligent guy from what Ive heard. Get better Trente we are rooting for you!
Beat me to it.
And by it I mean the 2021 football team.
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Yeah I agree 100% maybe we arent exactly Stanford or Yale but being closer to them then the Alabamas of the world has to tell you something. Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern are historically bottom feeders and it has to be a real challenge.
2021 - "Boy if Ryan loses back to back next year at home he is gone!"
Spring 2022 OSU named offseason champs of the Big Ten
2022 - "Cant wait until next year. He loses three years in a row he is gone!"
Spring 2023 OSU named offseason champs of the Big Ten
2023 - "No seriously one more loss to U of M and this guy is gone!"
Spring 2024 OSU named offseason champs of the entire world
I uh... I just dont know why casual fans fall for this? I get it as an OSU fan but some random fan telling me OSU will for sure win this year Im like "your memory is for shit!"
He donated a sizable chunk of cash to Hoek's go fund me page. He and the family were going through some rough times. Pretty proud of Chuck to be honest. I thought he was pretty cool before but he has a lifetime pass with me.
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/helping-mgofamily-need
We in trouble fellas.
Rotate me Eli, X (Z), MAAR, and Derrick Walton until the end of my days and Id be happy. All these McDonalds AA watching our guys in the final four is just such a tasty treat.
They just lost to UM for the 3rd time in a row, missed the playoffs, lost the best QB on their roster, and got crushed by Mizzou in e/very facet of the game. But currently they are riding high like a championship is on its way!?! Short of the last time they won a championship this fanbase has never been more excited. My question is this, If Ryan Day can pull this Houdini act once again you guys think the following would lead to him being fired?
10-2 lost to Michigan/Oregon
Playoff win at home round 1
Playoff loss round 2
So he loses his job after that but kept it after a back to back to back losing run vs UM and an ass beating to Mizzou followed by the euphoria of being offseason champs for the 22nd consecutive season? Im not so sure. They always have the future to sell. Always.
Buckeye Chuck you will always get love from me brother for what you did to help out one of our Mgobloggers. You may be a mad man from a mad fanbase but you are always welcome here. Give me his downvotes he has earned it. That being said you are still crazy!
mtzlblk same thing with me living in California. At first everyone was enraged and family was calling me, my weak ass UM fan friends were ready to give up, it was a mess. But just like when OSU busted our ass by illegally paying recruits winning fixed everything. Once we beat PSU, OSU, won the big ten, beat Bama, beat Washington and won the championship nobody gave a rats ass. Now here is the rub, if we lose any of those games the cheating thing sticks. One random bounce of the ball in the OSU game and its an entirely different world.
The lack of reasoning for us being guilty the first week the story broke was about as dumb as it was for us being innocent after those wins but here we are. If Harbaugh ran a cheating program you think an NFL franchise hands him the keys and says "Its all you coach"? Come the fuck on they arent morons. No it was clickbait and the feeding frenzy was wild. Its over now and the best youd get if you brought it up to a casual fan is "Oh yeah whatever happened with that?". We are a top rival for 2 fanbases, top 3 for another 3-4 schools, hated by the SEC so there were lots of willing participants. Schools like UM, PSU, OSU, USC, Arizona St, Ok st etc will keep getting feed to the NCAAs while SEC teams will stay squeeky clean. Some day us non-SEC fans will figure it out and stop eating our own.