OT: NCAA Thinks It Has Found the Bagman On the Cam Newton Deal
A summary is here:
The NCAA thinks Newton was bought and paid for; it's all a matter of proving it now. Some amount of money went to Cecil Newton, while another amount went to Cecil's church. This money was handled by a "third party". The investigation has "revved up" since Chizik's outburst in Destin. The total amount is approximately $180-200K, with $20-30K having gone to the church.
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/7/20/2285291/cam-newton-danny-sheridan-finebaum
Also, a link to the podcast of the discussion referenced is here:
http://podcasting.fia.net/6960/4807908.mp3
Chizik's outburst in Destin is described in the link below. Apparently this is old news, but it was news to me - Chizik challenged an NCAA rep at an SEC meeting a week ago, and she had an "oh, snap" response:
He peppered Roe Lach with a flurry of questions about the N.C.A.A.’s investigation into Cam Newton and why the N.C.A.A. had not publicly announced that the investigation was over. Chizik complained that the inquiry’s open-ended nature had hurt Auburn’s recruiting and he followed up at least three times, leading to a testy exchange.
“You’ll know when we’re finished,” Roe Lach told Chizik, according to several coaches who were at the meeting. “And we’re not finished.”
Some BIG .... BIG Trouble to me
Of redacting awards. National champs, heisman and i think coach of the year.
He's already in the pros with a guarenteed contract. I don't think anyone in the Newton family is all that concerned with NCAA awards getting taken away.
No, but I bet a lot of people in Alabama won't be happy when all is said and done.
And a lot of other people in Alabama will be ecstatic.
Over on elelvenwarriors I found this quote from Ramzy amusing and applicaple for this line of discussion:
"Auburn is the second-most popular team in Alabama, a state that consistently ranked in the high 40s out of 50 in most everything of consequence. Its largest city is 1/8 the size of Columbus. Being the second-most popularanything in Alabama does not register virtually anywhere else in the country or world."
I lol'd. I would love to share this with my gf, an Auburn/UNC grad, but it would make the NFL lockout look short by comparison.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/07/the-sound-of-silence#more
that the NCAA going light on LSU means that they will go light on OSU for demonstrating the same level of "cooperation". I lol'd at that...
Ramzy is pretty funny sometimes but he is seriously delusional about most things Ohio; he reminds me of when you were a little kid and thought pro wrestling was real and that the jobber had a shot against the heel on Saturday mornings.
Virtually every head coach of a D1A football program is required -- by contract -- to be involved in community service and outreach programs.
Its the only OSU blog I'll touch. Ramzy is a homer, there's no doubt. I still find him eloquent most of the time even if he is delusional. I agree with all the knocks to him here. The perspective on AU/UA was what I found noteworthy and accurate. My gf is from Alabama . . . so I can't very well go around saying what everyone thinks around her now can I?
Cheers.
Everybody down here knows Newton is dirty and the NCAA is just taking their time with the investigation until NC game and all the awards to take it away. Its about the $$ and its only a matter of time.
they beat Alabama and won the NC and will still claim it even after the NCAA strips them. They are like OSU fans.
They are just like OSU fans, but even less educated.
They celebrate mediocraty year after year (except last year of course). They have 2 NCs in their whole history and are Alabama's little brother. They are the 3rd best team in the SEC west, and its only a matter of time before Chizik brings them back down to their perenial 9-4 season, only to give him a long contract extension (see Tuberville).
Did anyone see THIS the other night on Jeopardy?
Sorry, I'm just a bartender not an embedder. Please helps.
for being more technologically coherent than me, and for buying the drinks I be slangin'.
Happy to help...and drink those drinks.
I can see how this guy can get that confused as it seems both schools are paying their athletes one way or the other.
How could any Man get this question wrong? Jesus H Christ!
Seriously, and you could tell he didn't have the first clue what the answer is. At least he guessed a school with a football team.
"You're obviously not a big football fan."
He was just confused about which cheater went to which school.
Man, it is amazing how fast news travels these days. A guy says this on a radio show this afternoon...the comments get blogged and then reblogged here immediately. Its probably all over twitter too...
anyway...my thoughts are that Chizik always came across as an ass in his interviews and comments.... sounds like he will be getting what he has coming once this is all said and done
Two heisman trophies in five years vacated, and two national championships in a span of only six? Although this is still early, and nothing solid has been released yet, this alleged scandal is just one of many, all acting as catalysts for reform that together, upping the ante with each addition.
Hopefuly this shows that the NCAA also isn't anywhere close to being done with charging OSU. Particularly, if the NCAA finds the serious dirt so long after the Newton scandal erupted and seemingly cooled back off, it gives hope to us maize-and-blue bloods that OSU might finally see that Lack of Institutional Control and/or Failure to Monitor they so deserve.
I know OSU's '02 is past the statue of limitations, but who knows? Also, considering Oregon's feeling the heat too, last year's BCS Title game looks like a complete sham. I nominate TCU as the 2010 Champ.
The NCAA has the power to override the statute of limitations and consider earlier shenanigans if they feel that past occurences would show some kind of "pattern" of wrongdoing. Not saying that will happen in OSU's case. I read today that the NCAA has talked to businessmen in Auburn concerning past payment of players, most notibly the ones linked to the HBO special from a few months back.
The Lord is good.
But presumably it didn't go to the SEC (Society for Ethical Culture).
[Their building in NYC really does have "SEC" on its cornerstone.]
20K for a 200K haul is 10% in my book. The 180k number was right after all -- cuz that's all he kept for himself.
I just cannot imagine the other 20k is going to go in the correct ledger in the old man's books once he gets to the pearly gates.
Living in SEC country, seeing Auburn get caught and subsequently slammed would make me extremely happy.
"And we're NOT finished."
Sounds like they're out for blood. This is encouraging and hopefully indicative of yet-to-come Ohio schadenfreude.
If this turns out to be factually correct, my guess is that our fine congress will somehow become involved for something beyond BCS antitrust issues.
A major problem , as we all know, is once the athlete leaves, there is no recourse to the athlete, beyond taking away a trophy or two. The NCAA has no subpoena power and the athlete is beyond reach. Pryor, Bush and now Newton, maybe. I wonder if there is a way to make an athlete contractually liable for conduct that violates NCAA rules while attending a U - liquidated damages that survive bankruptcy.
Eh, I'm not really interested in punishing the player. Especially the ones that don't go on to make millions in the NFL (which is not Newton and Bush obviously, but it's TBD whether Pryor makes it big).
I'm much more interested in the school getting punished.
To see both the team and the player get punished extremely hard. The NFL and NCAA should implement some system to punish cheaters who decide to just up and leave and go to the NFL. Then cheaters will actually be punished.
..for the most part. Newton, and others like him, should get punished in some way. If we are going to pressure the schools it only makes sense to have some sort of real punishment on the player side as well-the lion share going against the schools. Whether or not a player goes to the pros, paying taxes on a 6 figure "gift" is a start.
Yeah, I'm OK with there being some sort of a penalty to the player, and paying taxes on the 6-figure gift should be a given. That's not even an NCAA issue.
But if the bulk of the punishment goes on the player, then the school doesn't have that much of a reason to stop their shenanigans. They can just throw it on a player and a booster and they go on doing the same thing with a different player and a different booster.
If Pryor gets kicked off the team and fined and punished, that's fine. But 5 years from now we won't give a shit about Pryor but we'll still be playing OSU. The bulk of the punishment should stop the school from breaking the rules.
What are the tax implications of a non-profit making a "donation" to a non-profit? Did the bagman try to write off the money to the church on their taxes? I am more concerned about the reputation of the church than Auburn/NCAA. We already knew they were crooked.
Aren't these schools state and federally funded? It seems to me that these kids sign a contract (LOI), and probably sign something that has to do with not breaking the rules/take money. There should be some way to hold coaches, administrators, players..etc accountable. I just don't know enough about the law to put it together. Fraud? Because these schools take state and federal money couldn't they be pressured, by the threat of losing funded money, to toe the line?
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Cecil Newton doesn't have any trees at his church.
How reputable is the cite that was linked too? Is there a chance this is crap?
Finebaum is legit.
I love college football, but man errrbody be cheatin'
It kind of sucks.
I've seen Auburn's recruiting this year and I don't think this is affecting it much. They aren't taking commitments from 2-star red-headed linebackers like someone.