Kevin Wilson inspires team by talking about hitler
According to former IU QB Zander Diamond
I hate Illinois (or Indiana) nazis.
There's a fair number of both. Fuck 'em
His current position makes much more sense now in context. s/
Probs doesn't help that the quarterback is Jewish.
LoL, you gotta know your audience, KevO. What a dunce.
No politics
I'd like to think that even in these fractured times, disliking the leader of the Nazi regime would recieve pretty bi-partisan support.
You'd think, but also Charlottesville.
I would think the dislike might even extend beyond folks who associate themselves with the two major parties.
Yeah no shit, I would rather be called “mother fucker”, than a Republican or Democrat. That being said, Hitler was a piece of shit. Who, in the name of Zeus, brings up Hitler to a football team? Unreal.
I'd say Omni-partisan support against Nazis, but there are absolutely fringe groups who would disagree with that assumption.
I thought this might be a time where the /s would be implied and not necessary... but here we are
I assumed it was sarcasm, but we live in a world where people scream "politics" about everything. Hell, there were more comments about mayorial candidates in Ann Arbor than on a discussion of the offensive recruiting in 2019.
Won't argue that. Love your content BB
This isn't politics. Hitler was a terrible person and that's a fact. There's not multiple sides to this
Don't tell that to the multiple Neo-Nazis/white supremacists, etc. currently running as Republicans...
Don't know why this is being downvoted. An Illinois Republican just recently ran for Congress as a wide open Nazi and then you know... Charlottesville. Facts.
I believe there are 2 others running in California as well.
1) Kevin Wilson seems like an awful human; this is just the latest example. I was little surprised, in this day an age, that OSU was able to hire him so quickly after IU and not get really any pushback, but I guess Football Uber Alles (...see what I did there?)
2) It's Zander Diamont --- I think Zander Diamond was an actor on the new version of Beverly Hills 90210.
There was talk on here the other day about how winning cures all evils. Hitler was a loser. Hopefully Kevin Wilson continues to be.
OSU is sort of a reform school for coaches. Meyer's circle of trust at Florida was full of miscreants (one murderer), Larry Johnson and Greg Schiano knew about the pedophilia at PSU and did nothing and Kevin Wilson abused his players and praised hitler. I'm taking their collective worst acts, but collectively it ends up being a sketchy group.
It's very annoying Greg Schiano is apparently a good recruiter (at least when it came to NPF) when he's best known for that, MRSA, and petty bullshit on a kneel play.
He didn't say it was Wilson, only a former coach. There was a wild-ass inference it was Wilson based on him being the head coach. It's wrong for anyone to say that Hitler was a great leader, but it's also wrong to make accusations about who said it. Unless there is more to the story than the link provided.
Came to say the same.
Though I do think you could argue that in some ways, Hitler was a great leader (he did lead an economically devastated country to fairly high prosperity) in some ways. Highly flawed military leader, possibly the worst moral-leader of all-time. But (unfortunately) was able to convince and inspire ~38% of his country, and convince a large remaining portion of the country to be mostly complacent against his wrong-doing and (reluctantly or not) actually fight for him. The movement and ideology he led spread well beyond German borders too, throughout Europe and even well into the Americas.
Again, terrible, terrible person. His leadership was certainly flawed. I don't say it like that to downplay his atrocities, but to come from his beginnings and from Germany's beginnings in the 30's to what his ideology and party became requires a certain quality in terms of leadership. He was a great political speaker, he did strongly convince people that his ideology was correct, and led a large amount of complacent people to fight the battles for that ideology. Part of that was through fear, but much of it was through agreement. That in no way makes what he did right, in fact just the opposite, he utilized strong leadership to morally corrupt a great deal of people and bring about one of the worst periods in human existance.
The upside of a coach using him in this way, however, is questionable, because the downside and baggage that comes with the claim is so obvious and awful. I would question a coach's (or any leader's) decision to use this example, and would in fact use that as an example of their own questionable leadership skills. When this coach side this, I don't think he was really expecting to have a nuanced, contextual discussion about history, psychology, sociology, and the human condition that probably need to come with it (even the above seems insufficient; a thesis may suffice).
Can't edit, so I just want to make clear. Hitler was an awful, awful leader in many ways too.
I think the greater point here is: bringing up Hitler in a positive light is a bad and stupid move, especially when you are trying to inspire a group of people, because any truthful discussion beyond "he was a bad person" requires way more attention to be at all motivational.
He was an astounding leader. He did amazing things considering the state Germany was in after WWI. It's just that he was a complete psychopath as well and the world would have done much better without him.
'Ole Adolph and his acolytes have certainly been enjoying a renaissance in the US of late.
That's quite untrue. However, there has been a renaissance in media coverage.
I had thought we, mainstream society and mainstream press, had tacitly agreed to ignore the KKK and their ilk; figuring they would fade away.
As no politics as I can be, it's a shame that has changed, and likely increased awareness and interest in racist groups as a result.
You can't really ignore political rallies where people are murdered by the driver of a car.
Untrue?
We had three white supremacists with offices in the White House a year ago. Down to one now but with a number of fringe players still on the scene.
No, they've always been there. But now they think it's ok to spout their utter bullshit racist nonsense due to encouragement (explicit or implicit) by the people currently in charge.
Yeah, it's a weird place because in a particular light you can make a very coached argument that points out the positives of a leader. NK has been run by a number of murderous dictators for decades now...but they are also one of 9 players on the nuclear stage in the entire world. That's arguably a positive for their leadership; certainly doesn't outweigh their widespread humanitarian abuses.
What I don't get is why anyone would pick him to prove a point about leadership because, as you noted, his accomplishments are relatively unspectacular and the downside is MASSIVE. Like, we have other examples of leaders who brought their nations back from economic devastation without the end goal of religious genocide. But it is an historical fact that Germany recovered from heavy economic issues stemming from WWI under his control.
Be careful not to confuse coincidence with correlation.
Economies naturally correct to the mean on their own.
If two things continually coincide there is a correlation, but it may not be causal
I wanted to say much the same thing, but you said it so much better than I probably would have! If you want to praise the parts of Hitler's leadership that would actually make sense, I can name 15 other leaders for which the same praise can be made - without the political baggage.
I just can't imagine someone using Hitler as an example of doing something - anything - right. Especially in the context of a football locker room, where all you're doing is trying to jack up your players. You're not looking for an educational back and forth...
Great motivator might have reluctantly agree, maybe even great puppet, but he only lead people to their death in great numbers, that's about as close as I'll give him.
Of course the language of Nationalism does sound a lot like regional sports rivalism. I guess at IU hate was all they had.
I couldn’t get past the leading Germany to prosperity part of the comment. The prosperity came from institutional theft on an astonishing scale. The regime stole from its own and then its neighbors. We all agree the guy was evil but please don’t fall in the trap of saying he had any leadership skills beyond the ability to tap into a sense of entitlement and convince people they were somehow deserving of their neighbor’s property.
I mean, they don't care. Wilson, Schiano, LJ, they are somehow smothering the wrestling scandal thing. Everyone knows what they are, and they don't care.
I mean Hitler did kill Hitler; so he has that going for him.
Unless your watching the history channel. There still searching for him.
He'd be what, not quite 130 years old by now? That's some optimism right there.
It obviously depends on what was meant by "great" in the phrase "great leader". One could argue that unifying a bunch of folks to do something, even if it is wrong, shows that person has influence and power which are definitions of leadership. But being someone who leads other people is not the same a being a good person. That being said, why would you use someone pretty universally viewed as evil as an example?
Imagine a GIF of George from Sienfield sitting at a desk talking to his boss. In that GIF George is saying "Is that wrong? Was I not suppose to do that?" over and over while his boss shakes his head in disgust.
Seeing as our new and improved MGoBlog doesnt easily accomidate GIFs that's the best I can offer. But you guys have active imaginations and probably have already seen the GIF before so it's practically the same thing.
You're right that 3.0 doesn't easily accommodate GIFs, but they can be uploaded like other pics, but must be less than 2 mb. You can use gifgifs.com to shrink them.
I don't think most people care enough to go through that trouble. I certainly don't.
So let me get this straight, you care enough to comment that you don't care enough.
Wow, that's simply deplorable.
Are we still talking about the difficulty in posting gifs on the new site?