Caris LeVert NBA potential...
Honest question, what portion of Caris LeVert game translates to the NBA? I am having a hard time seeing it. I do not see how he makes others around him better along with not having a mid-range game that is critical for the pros. Again, this is just from my observation.
December 14th, 2014 at 12:07 AM ^
December 14th, 2014 at 8:32 AM ^
judge players on however they're doing at the moment. Scouts can't afford to.
December 14th, 2014 at 12:09 AM ^
He's shown, at times, an electrifying first step. In the tourney last year it seemed like he was getting to the basket at will. Add a pretty well rounded game, good size for a 2, he without question has nba potential.
This streak is rough though. His game today has to give scouts pause, and the lack of impact Michigan guys are having in the league may catch up sooner or later. I think theres a chance he comes back and gets his degree.
December 14th, 2014 at 12:26 AM ^
Don't you think it's a little early to start talking about lack of impact?
December 14th, 2014 at 10:03 AM ^
yea, but if i were a kings fan or a jazz fan, rather than a michigan fan, no. trey's had some big games, but he seems to always give up as much as he gets and his team stinks. it hasnt been a good start to his career.
the worst one is GRIII though. thats a bad decision that looks worse every single time i check a box score.
December 14th, 2014 at 12:58 AM ^
Until this team becomes more comfortable with their roles for this year, it is too early to downgrade Caris from what he was perceived to be last year. If he is the only option on the team, as it has seemed at times during the streak, it is too easy to double-team or triple-team him.
As soon as the rest of the team settles into their roles, we will see Caris average close to twenty points a night. That should get him comfortably into the first round.
December 14th, 2014 at 12:10 AM ^
December 14th, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^
"At his best in transition where he’s extraordinarily efficient"
He has really struggled to convert in transition so far this year - as has the whole team - and it's hurting us significantly.
It's been distressing how easily shunted off from the rim he's been on fast break opportunity after fast break opportunity.
I'm a fan, but this needs to improve.
December 14th, 2014 at 12:13 AM ^
But he is the only on one the team right now, who will get drafted. He is not lightning quick off the drive, But very good shooter, can penetrate and is solid defender. The problem he has is absolutley no help. Every team keys on him. Wallton is a really nice point guard, but his strength is transition. He is not causing opposing teams head aches in a half court set. Zak Irvin needs somebody to get him the ball on the wing, wide open.
Imagine Trey without Tim and GRIII. Not a great example, trey is far better, but he would have struggled without other guys who could score.
This team looks like an early Beilein team at M. I really wonder if he thought GRIII would go.
December 14th, 2014 at 12:15 AM ^
He has a lot of potential. He had ONE bad game. Relax. Are we not remembering his 32 points the other day? He leads the team in points, rebounds, assists (I think) and steals. He has tons of potential. Sometimes, it amazes me how quick fanbases are to think a player is amazing, to thinking he's overrated. Relax.
December 14th, 2014 at 12:18 AM ^
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December 14th, 2014 at 12:25 AM ^
I've heard quite a bit how people have called him a "mini-Durant", just shorter and with long arms. Obviously the scoring isn't/likely won't get to superstar level, but Caris has shown flashes with his shot and putting scoring moves on defenders. He's got a decent ability to create his own shot and draw contact while doing so. He's also got potential on defense, he seems to get a fair amount of steals. Yes, people think the NBA has absolutely no defense, but guys who can't play defense at all won't play much at all until they figure it out (see: Stauskas, Nik).
December 14th, 2014 at 12:45 AM ^
December 14th, 2014 at 12:52 AM ^
I think this game highlighted the huge discrepancy between his nba outlook vs. the top prospects in the draft (ie arizona's stanley johnson).
But, he has lots of things going for him: length, solid shoot. solid crossover. potential to be a good defender b/c of length and lateral quickness. those are things that get you drafted.
so, nba potential is definitely there. his likely outlook isn't nba star, but he could develop into quite a player (like that guy on milwaukee bucks with the crazy name).
December 14th, 2014 at 1:31 AM ^
Holy recency bias. Dude still has potential oozing out of him and makes a lot of small plays that go unnoticed. And a lot of heady plays - just go back through the last 10 games of 2013.
He is now the first guy on everyone's scouting report instead of 3rd or 4th. It was just 2 years ago he was averaging 2.3 ppg.
Despite all this attention his FG percentage is UP - yes up - from 43.9% to 45.3%. His 3 pt shooting % is an absurb 48.9% this year. It was 40.8% last year. Anything in the 41-43% range is damn good.
He is rebounding 5+ a game and assisting 4+ a game (more than our friggin PG). 83% FT.
If you want to compare to Nik last year, Caris is 1% behind him on overall FG % and 5% ahead on 3 pt shooting. 2% behind on FT % and killing Nik in rebounds (3.0) and assists (1.3).
Probably they lie about his height as they do every college kid (see Gary Harris) but a 6'5 6'6 SG who can do all this, has a decent first step, makes a lot of heady plays, is a very good shooter, and whose main weakness is "strength" (something that will change in 3 years) is a hell of an intriguing prospect.
Here are Gary Harri's stats last year for comparison and dude had Adrian Payne to take away attention unlike Caris.
- 45.6% FG, 41% 3 PT FG, 75.5% FT, 2.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists.
That was a guy who was 6'2-6'3 who was projected to be a lottery pick. Caris has him beat on every single stat (other than FG% which is flat) and is 3-4 inches taller. And has no help from a true inside threat.
Stanley Johnson? Dude is 6'7 6'8 240 lber who plays a different position, apples to oranges. Caris is going to be compared to guys like the Harrison brothers from Kentucky, not Stanley Johnson.
December 14th, 2014 at 1:34 AM ^
Think Doug Christie. I see some Brent Barry and Jeremy Lamb, too.
I read on UMhoops that he is scoring 1.32 ppp on isolations? Thats.........absurd. He also is lethal as a passer, streaking shooter, or finisher in transition. Knock down 3 pt shoots off the catch. Very shifty, changes gears off the dribble. Rebounds, gets steals and a solid PnR handler. Add the fact he is 6'7'' with a near 7 ft wingspan.......
He needds strength, avoids contact at the rim and his midrange game runs hot/cold but he does not have many holes.
If he had Morgan and GR3, he'd average WAYYY more apg than he does and he'd have more space to iso. As it stands, he has a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio and a 26% assist rate.
I think he projects as the best pro JB has had so far. Stauskas was elite at shooting and PnR and was subpar at everything else. The PnR does not translate because the ball is in superstar's hands. Levert has way more things he can do in a complimentary role.
I think some are unfair. Even Burke and Stauskas got to play off ball and get assisted points. Levert has to create 95% of his offense. This roster is a bad fit.
December 14th, 2014 at 3:19 AM ^
out of this recent batch. i don't think levert is the same scorer that thj is. he may be able to develop into a good defensive player, but he doesn't seem to have the defensive iq yet.
December 14th, 2014 at 8:22 AM ^
I think Caris can be much better than THJ, who is a shooter and a transition athlete. Caris can shoot, run, and actually handle the ball and drive. THJ is not good at defense, and Caris should be pretty good at that end once he adds some weight. Caris is definitely a raw player overall, but I think he is going to be a better pro than THJ because he has a better skilllset.
December 14th, 2014 at 5:38 AM ^
December 14th, 2014 at 10:37 AM ^
Exactly. He's not ready, but if he's going to be a first round pick, he might as well develop while getting paid.
December 14th, 2014 at 6:25 AM ^
And shoot over them ! Irvin shooting cold as hell has forces Lavert to do too much
December 14th, 2014 at 9:20 AM ^
You need bigs who can screen to come off them
December 14th, 2014 at 10:41 AM ^
Spell his f-ing name correctly. There's no excuse anymore. It's just lazy. It's spelled correctly in the title of the freaking thread.
December 14th, 2014 at 6:27 AM ^
I think it's more useful to look at things he doesn't do so well. The last two home games it was interesting seeing teams attack him repeatedly whenever they had him 1-on-1 on the perimiter. NJIT really hammered away at him with success, constantly able to penetrate (especially left).
But the NBA will look at that first step and think they can translate that into lateral movement on D. That wouldn't scare scouts off.
He's very, very quick, with that aforementioned step, so his lack of strength going to the rim won't worry most. He looks much more consistent with his midrange this year, partially because it looks like he is pulling up way closer to the hoop (I'd love to see some sort of ExpressVu on this but it looks this way, can'y be sure). Going right he is killing it. He also has more body control and is getting better looks and finishes tighter in.
Passing he might not look great, but the team is cold, uncertain, playing without much confidence. A lack of an athletic inside finisher is hurting. Plus he is the red flag, drawing lots of help on any sort of penetration. His job in this offense is definitely not to kick out or drive and dish: you want this guy shooting.
He has virtually no flaws in his outside shot. Irvin has a more 'textbook' form but Caris has the quick release, mentality, and results.
It's a different NBA now, raw potential and flaws don't bother them as much. Gone.
December 14th, 2014 at 7:45 AM ^
December 14th, 2014 at 3:10 PM ^
you'd leave if you were projected to go in the first 15.
December 14th, 2014 at 9:18 AM ^
(-1, unnecessary ellipses)
December 14th, 2014 at 9:29 AM ^
December 14th, 2014 at 9:37 AM ^
He is not only a 1st rounder, every site has him late lottery
December 14th, 2014 at 9:36 AM ^
How about the part that's a 6'7 SG shooting 43% from three over the last two years, with a really good first step, good ball-handling and a 7' wingspan? You probably need to explain how he doesnt make his teammates better too, he's leading the team in APG. He disappears sometimes, but dont act like CLV isn't an NBA player.
December 14th, 2014 at 9:43 AM ^
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December 14th, 2014 at 3:13 PM ^
Have you looked at any of his metrics--some of which are detailed in earlier posts? He's good at lots of things.
December 14th, 2014 at 10:48 AM ^
He could easily be 1st-team All-B1G.
I never had the same expectations a lot had on this board. He's not the best player in the conference and he's not a #1 option, he's a GREAT #2.
That said, he's still a great talent and you can pair him with a superstar in the NBA and he'd be a NICE 3rd option.
For example, if I'm the Heat. I draft LeVert without question. Have him learn from Wade, take some minutes from him and then pair him with Bosh once Wade officially breaks down.
I think he could be that missing piece for a lot of teams or that "3rd star" that James Harden in the OKC days. Or a Draymond Green type impact. Kawhi Leonard early in his career behind the Spurs' Big 3.
That puts him #15-25, slightly higher than the Tim Hardaway Jr. range.
...what this season does is keep Irvin for another season (IMO). And if we can get a top recruiting class (which I'm confused as to why we already don't have one)...we're back to being an elite team.
December 14th, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^
December 14th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^
"Normally the #1 become #3s in the NBA."
"He looks like a #2 or 3 on a mid level d1 team."
Refrain from talking basketball ever again.
December 14th, 2014 at 3:45 PM ^
December 15th, 2014 at 12:57 AM ^
Who cares if he doesn't have mid range game? The way the game is played right now, that's actually a positive. These days in the NBA, you want a 2 guard who can shoot efficiently from three, be quick enough to penetrate and dish out or create contact, and be quick enough to get back on defense(and even this is optional... see: James Harden). If you're a shooting guard and getting a lot of your production from the mid range, you're probably not helping your team win. *cough* Kobe Bryant *cough cough*