11w sure ain't worried about Michigan

Submitted by Swayze Howell Sheen on September 20th, 2020 at 12:44 PM

Just including results from a poll over at 11w about the biggest threads to OSU's championship drive:

As you can see, Michigan barely registers; it's just COVID and PSU. Maybe that's just where we are these days, but it sure would be nice to raise the threat level with an upset this year.

That said, I just heard a rumor: One UM player cut this graphic out and pasted it onto his locker, so he could see it each day as added motivation. He rises earlier than the others, trains harder than the others, and has been getting better faster than people thought possible. His name, you might have heard: Joe Milton. And he has one thing on his mind: Beating those damn Bucks.

Lakeyale13

September 20th, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^

Of course OSU has that point of view.  Why wouldn't they?  

I love Michigan, but you have to be delusional to actually think Michigan is a threat to OSU's potential B10 championship run this year. We haven't beaten them in a decade and a half and have just had two of the the most historical ass whippings in the history of Michigan Football.  Add to that that we will be starting a brand new QB that went 3-7 with a td and an INT last year. 

It looks like it will be a typical year this year.  Gonna be above .500.  A decent win here and there.  Lose to OSU.  That's been a reality for a long time.

MichAtl85

September 20th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^

Agreed. If the team is using this for motivation more power to them! As for OSU fans what do they have to be afraid of? They’re beaten us forever and the last time we actually were favored (2018) they embarrassed us. 
 

But hey if Joe Milton and some other players use this and ball out this year that would be outstanding! I’m just happy we get some big 10 football this year!

Lakeyale13

September 20th, 2020 at 2:59 PM ^

The only "agents of change" that are gonna shift the tides are better recruiting and coaching.  I love our players.  I believe they play as hard as they can.  But you can play your heart out and want things to be different, but significantly better players are going to win 100% of the time when they are coached just as well as inferior players.

Squash34

September 20th, 2020 at 3:47 PM ^

Lakeale, Bama wouldn't have lost to a Freeze lead Ole Miss twice if significantly better rosters with equal or better coaching win 100%. OSU wouldn't have lost to anyone in the big ten since Urban got there. Hell, Michigan wouldn't have lost to App state all those years ago, if your claim was true. 

Players want to, determination and plain old fashioned luck have a lot more to do with the game of football than people think. 

blueheron

September 20th, 2020 at 2:00 PM ^

Much as I dislike saying it, ^^^this^^^.

In another thread someone suggested that the Hoke OSU games were close because the Michigan players of that era "wanted it more" (or something to that effect). It was implied that the current Michigan players "don't want it enough." Right.

WestQuad

September 20th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^

I watch the game most every year since 2003 with a buddy who is an OSU fan.  It has sucked ass.  I don't even like talking to him anymore.   OSU has been better than us on an overall team perspective since Moeller/Lloyd took over.  It's just that Moeller and Lloyd beat them more often than not, or at least often enough have it be the biggest rivalry ever.  The Eddie George/Tim Biakabatuka game is the epitome of the rivalry for me.  OSU comes into the game undefeated with National title hopes and an eventual Heisman trophy winner and Michigan comes in with a couple of disappointing loses.  Our non-Heisman back dominates and we slap that National Title talk out of their mouth.  OSU goes on to lose their next game because of the PTSD we gave them.

I don't think you can discount the mental part.  I think Hoke's teams had some of that.  Devin Gardener had that.  2016 Michigan had that but got screwed by homer refs. I think that game hurt us mentally.  We can't beat them even when we beat them.  I have no idea how good Joe Milton will be, but I hope Devin Gardner has given him some of that back(or that Milton has it in his bones.)

trueblueintexas

September 20th, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^

I've posted this before, but it's worth reminding everyone of Lloyd's record vs. OSU.

- First 6 years as head coach: 5 - 1

- Last 7 years as head coach: 1 - 6

Let's be really clear. Lloyd got his full taste of the OSU experience. He may be 6 - 7 overall but it's not like they were winning back and forth over his 13 years.

In the last seven years of LLoyd's tenure the average margin of victory for OSU was 7.5 points. Far better than what has happened under Harbaugh, but still over a TD a game.

The last 7 years of Lloyd's tenure were basically as bad as Rich Rod, Hoke, and Harbaugh have done against them.

carolina blue

September 20th, 2020 at 3:15 PM ^

It’s called lack of respect. If you don’t respect your opponent and properly prepare, you can get beat. That’s how Purdue beat them. Penn state beat them on some total bullshit. Its kinda like Sparty beating us twice under Harbaugh. 
 

we know all too well what happens when you don’t respect an opponent. 
 

That will NEVER happen to us with OSU. They will always be prepared for us. 

UMxWolverines

September 20th, 2020 at 6:10 PM ^

It absolutely is a mental thing. Did you not see the post the other day? We're fifth in college football in terms of players on NFL rosters. Alabama is #1 and Auburn manages to beat them once and a while. Michigan-OSU is now pretty much the most lopsided major rivalry in college football along with Alabama-Tennessee. 

There's a reason as soon as Tressel replaced Cooper they started to beat us regularly despite similar levels of talent. 

UMProud

September 20th, 2020 at 3:01 PM ^

I don't believe Harbaugh will ever beat OSU.  Also think he will continue to lose most of his bowl games and road games to any team with a pulse.  He does not have an overarching program like Meyer, Saban and other top rated coaches have.  He outsources the defensive and offensive aspects of the team to whoever is the DC/OC instead of hiring coaches that fit his system.  This is his fatal flaw and I think this approach is different than his west coast scheme he ran for years.

Richard75

September 20th, 2020 at 4:02 PM ^

Harbaugh may not beat them, but I’m not sure it has anything to do with outsourcing or fitting your system. Saban used to be all about ground and pound, but he gave in and changed after learning the hard way how college offenses exploit the linemen-downfield rules. If anything, Harbaugh deserves credit for being flexible. People put way too much stock into narratives about which coach is smartest.

Saban and Swinney and Meyer/Day get better players. That’s the primary problem. The secondary one is that a great QB could mitigate that talent difference (as Oklahoma has shown), and Harbaugh hasn’t landed/developed one. But the overall talent level is the main issue. It should also be noted that this era of massive talent concentration at a handful of programs has coincided with the end of NCAA oversight.

BigBlue07

September 20th, 2020 at 7:15 PM ^

That’s crazy to say, due to the fact that OSU has had outstanding QB play. One OSU QB will come back to earth one of these years. I’m not to worried about Michigan’s recruiting either. I feel like with the players they are getting right now will get them over the hump against Ohio st. 

bklein09

September 20th, 2020 at 12:54 PM ^

We haven’t won in Columbus in 20 years. Ask yourself this, would we be worried about OSU if the script was flipped?

Honestly, COVID is by far the biggest threat to their CFP hopes. They are miles better than anyone in the B1G, and then the conference gave them a joke schedule to boot.

There is a solid chance we see OSU’s 3rd NC since 2002 this year. I’m preparing myself for it now.

Of course anything is possible, and I’m glad the Michigan players are motivated. But unfortunately talent usually wins out, and they also have a great scheme down there as well. 

LabattsBleu

September 20th, 2020 at 3:06 PM ^

Pretty much this...

One loss since 2003?! I mean, i don't know why anyone in Columbus would be worried about Michigan...esp with a new QB and four new starters on the OLine.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what fans think, its the play on the field that matters - and Michigan has been badly outclassed the last 2 years

gustave ferbert

September 20th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^

Michigan lost it's cultural identity when Bo died.   

Martin didn't help things with hiring Rodriguez (good coach, bad cultural fit) who set us back a few years.  

You can't question the abilities of Harbaugh.  He is a great coach.  But he's so quirky and abrasive I don't know if he has the chops to instill a healthy culture of continued excellence.  At the very least he lost his edge of being the madman we all wanted to see on the sideline. 

It's nothing unusual, when Woody died (1987), O$U was a similar mess with Cooper.  Until they sold their soul with Tressel and Daddy Steinbrenner bought off Drew Henson. 

Bluesince89

September 20th, 2020 at 9:19 PM ^

The inability to move past this fervent Bo worship in the athletic department is partly what’s holding this program back.  The majority I think is that while traditional bluebloods have gone full football factory, Michigan is trying to straddle this fine line of big time college football and still being an elite academic institution.  That’s a lot harder to do these days.  The elite of the elite recruits want to win and basically practice for their future, which is hoping to make an NFL roster.  I saw on 60 Minutes tonight they LSU had 14 players selected in last year’s NFL draft.  That’s insane.  
 

The Bo worship doesn’t help and is how you end up with a lot of backstabbing ala the Rich Rod years and how you end up with Hoke.  
 

There’s also a heightened sense of self importance and self-aggrandizement in this program that frankly most people don’t care about.  Most people don’t care about what happened before WWI when there were a handful of competitive teams in the world, and latching onto it like it means anything today is just kinda weird and sad and shows the lack of success we’ve had in the modern era.  

kshed

September 22nd, 2020 at 10:07 AM ^

I don't understand where academic standing has anything to do with football or this supposition that in order to be good at football, you need to have an inverse relationship to scholastics. If you look at schools like OSU, Clemson, and Alabama, their success on the football field has dramatically increased their application pool, has allowed them to be more selective, and has continually increased their academic standing. This trope that "we care about academics, ergo we can't be good at football" is tired. General studies majors are not contributing nor hurting the school rankings.