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Brian September 13th, 2019 at 1:58 PM

You're gonna stay for the fourth quarter of our game against Chattanooga. This is actually not as bad as it sounds at first blush:

Saban, the Alabama football coach, has long been peeved that the student section at Bryant-Denny Stadium empties early. So this season, the university is rewarding students who attend games — and stay until the fourth quarter — with an alluring prize: improved access to tickets to the SEC championship game and to the College Football Playoff semifinals and championship game, which Alabama is trying to reach for the fifth consecutive season.

But to do this, Alabama is taking an extraordinary, Orwellian step: using location-tracking technology from students’ phones to see who skips out and who stays.

This doesn't impact anyone's ability to get student tickets for the regular season, it just sets up some bonus goals for diehards who want post-season tickets and opt-in to this program. Now, a bunch of people have pointed out the obvious flaw in which people just leave their phones with freshman pledges or whoever, but at least the idea is to prioritize attendance and dedication.

Michigan does nothing along these lines and really dumped on the idea of dedication mattering when they re-seated Crisler the instant the program got good. Michigan should have programs that reward attendance—not necessarily for students who leave early, but for people who buy tickets and don't use them.

Michigan has the power to change their relationship with ticket-holders by 1) allowing people to return tickets to the AD and 2) downgrading Victors Club points for people whose tickets don't scan. The AD can then try to sell those tickets with some sort of rush program. This would be particularly good for Crisler, which often has big swathes of empty seats even for reasonably important games.

The AD continues to focus exclusively on a bottom line that is mostly about how much money they can funnel to the water polo coach and platinum-plate their silver-plated facilities while ignoring the idea that a full, raucous stadium will probably do more for Michigan's wins and losses than the next increment of opulence.

[After THE JUMP: stay tuned for quality Illinois content! Seriously!]

The most inexplicably good content on the internet. For some godforsaken reason, Illinois football has a lot of consistently good content about it. This year they've picked up lengthy annotated videos from a gent at @ILLFBBreakdown. The Illinois offense is particularly of note because 1) Michigan plays it later this year and 2) their starting QB is Brandon Peters. It's a fascinating counterfactual:

While I disagree with a few things here and there it's always nice to see detailed layperson-focused takes on other Big Ten teams. I feel like I know things about Illinois now. What a country!

Peters looks pretty good, albeit against a team recovering from having what may be literally the worst defense in FBS history.

At least we sold some shirts. Big ups—are we still saying "big ups" probably not—to Ohio State for trying this absurd thing:

Ohio State University, or as they would like people to say, The Ohio State University, was denied the trademark of the word "the" by the United States Patent & Trademark office, according to Darren Rovell and public documents obtained by the USPTO. Ohio State has six months to respond to the refusal.

The USPTO's document lists says it was refused because "the applied-for mark as used on the specimen of record is merely a decorative or ornamental feature of applicant's clothing and, thus, does not function as a trademark to indicate the source of applicant's clothing and to identify and distinguish applicant's clothing from others."

If you still want a sure-to-be-baffling-two-years-from-now shirt with a giant THE over "worst state ever," we've got you. All about the short-sighted customer service, here at MGoBlog.

Related less mocking OSU content. Student ticket sales dipped by 6500 this year, which is huge drop from 28 to 22k. Michigan's on the road but people are also asserting another major reason for the change:

Diana Sabau, deputy director of Ohio State Athletics, attributes the decrease to the tickets’ change in medium and the lack of a certain game on the schedule.

“[Students] have asked us for probably a year to two years that, ‘How can we not wait in line to pick up our tickets when we get back to school?” Sabau said. “I think having a mobile ticket achieved that. I think that, for whatever reason, that combination and not having Michigan at home give us a little bit larger decline.”

Why would a more convenient ticketing system reduce sales? One dollar says those mobile tickets are non-transferable. Which they should be.

Welcome to the resistance. Uh [checks notes] UnderArmour CEO Kevin Plank?

"But I do think there’s athletes that are driving incredible value for those institutions and frankly they should be fairly compensated," Plank said. "And I’m not sure that’s exactly the case today."

Plank may have some ulterior motive as a relative upstart in the athletic wear field, but I think this is the first time any shoe sponsor has said word one about the parlous state of affairs that is modern-day amateurism.

Not just a Purdue issue, AKA the Great Air Conditioning War Of 2019. Via Get The Picture, Kirby Smart on the state of road locker rooms in the SEC:

Wait, what air conditioning brouhahaha? [twitter search]

WTF! That is an entirely different level from Purdue not having AC. That is downright dangerous, if true. This being college football there are now charts showing that the locker room was cool and people strenuously disputing the accuracy of these charts.

This is the content I crave.

Skinner bill updates! It's on the governor's desk after a unanimous reconciliation vote from the state senate. The NCAA sends a ludicrous letter to California governor Gavin Newsome:

The NCAA responded to the California State Assembly's passage of a bill that would allow college athletes to more easily make money off their own name, image and likeness starting Jan. 1, 2023, by sending a letter to Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) on Wednesday that says if the bill becomes law, it "would result in (schools) being unable to compete in NCAA competitions" and would be "unconstitutional."

Reference to the bill's legality signals the NCAA's potential willingness to sue California under the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution, which says that only Congress has the power to regulate commerce among states.

I'm not a law-talking guy, but regulating universities within your state isn't regulating interstate commerce and the NCAA's position that California teams wouldn't be able to play in multi-state championships actually is.

Matt Brown with some "what now" takes:

Let’s get one thing straight right now. The NCAA is not going to ban all the California schools

I get why they have to say this now, but this falls under a rich history of empty threats from university administrators, right up there with Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney saying the Big Ten would drop to DIII if they had to share revenues with athletes.

Regardless of what NCAA rules state, lopping off California is a logistical and financial impossibility. Potentially locking themselves out of so many huge TV markets, plus losing so many potential teams for their marquee event, the NCAA Tournament (laugh all you want about the Pac-12, but California also includes regular NCAA participant Saint Mary’s, plus possible conference champions from the WAC, Big West, Big Sky and Mountain West), would make such a harsh penalty a nightmare for the NCAA’s business partners. Not to mention that penalty would also get thrown into the courts on antitrust grounds. USC and UCLA wouldn’t take that lying down.

The courts have been a bit of a bust because the judge who keeps getting assigned to these cases finds in favor of the plaintiffs and then proposes tenth-measures in response. This is a much bigger threat to the NCAA's model, one that dodges Title IX concerns—and really all the "how much should a school pay the backup nose tackle" issues. It brings all the shoe company stuff above table, which is a huge huge win for both the players and Michigan. You should be rooting for this legislation hard.

Also, South Carolina is considering a similar bill.

Etc.: Getting a scholarship: nice. Will be fascinating to see if this ESPN/AT&T dispute actually  goes through with a holdout. I'm guessing no. Iowa's AJ Epenesa profiled. He's gonna be a problem. Michigan-Minnesota makes the list of rivalry games that should resort to non-conference games if required. The aristocrats! Discontent reasons: this one, and only this one.

Comments

Phaedrus

September 13th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^

That California bill has the potential to completely reshape the college football landscape. Stanford could become the new Alabama. I think it would bode well for all B10 schools and the California schools, but it would really hurt the southern schools because they’re much smaller and don’t have massive (and wealthy) alumni bases. 

TrueBlue2003

September 13th, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^

Not sure I agree with that logic about the southern schools because firing the money cannon doesn't require donations from a large number of alums, it only requires large donations from a small number of extremely wealthy alums/boosters and all of those schools have some of those. 

So then it becomes a matter of priorities.

Take MSU for example.  Certainly a lower median salary amongst alums than Stanford but how much money do you think people like Tom Gores and Dan Gilbert would pump into MSU athletics if allowed?  That's all "Sparty Nation" cares about, including their big donors (clearly).

Most wealthy Stanford donors care a lot more about things like, you know, helping the world.  They're donating to the Gates foundation, and the like, not the Stanford AD, so I don't think it matters that they have more money, what matters is where they choose to allocate that money.

I don't know exactly how it would shake out but it won't be simply a function of how much money alums make, it'll be a function of how much they desire to pay for college athletic success.  Even amongst the middle class alums, SEC fans would mortgage their homes and sell their dogs to win some more games.  Not the case for all schools.

ERdocLSA2004

September 13th, 2019 at 4:48 PM ^

Its time for the coaches, commissioners, and NCAA to recognize that this is not going to go away and to try and devise a system that can benefit the players without creating more of a gap between the haves and have nots.  I really don’t want college football as the NFL jr or college b-ball as the NBA jr. we need to do something before this happens though.

 I don’t see how this system makes Stanford the new Alabama.  The same way it won’t make us or Harvard or any other top school the “new Alabama”.  You may think this system will put us on equal footing monetary wise with Bama but they will always push the limit of what is legal farther than we are willing to.  Furthermore, unless Stanford and us lower our admission standards and academic requirements we will never be Bama.  Kids go to OSU, Bama, Auburn, LSU, UGA, because it’s the path of least resistance to the NFL and they don’t have to play school.

LKLIII

September 13th, 2019 at 6:24 PM ^

It may not put Stanford, Michigan, (or any random school with a randomly wealthy booster like MSU, Iowa, etc.) on equal footing with Alabama, but I think it will substantially narrow the gap.

The reason the SECs, Clemsons & Ohio States are so dominant is not because they are "pushing the envelope" of NCAA rules/legality whereas other schools are not.  The reason these schools are so dominant is because they largely operate *as if there is no envelope*, whereas most of the other major programs still allow the rules to be a constraint on their behavior.

The truly elite programs are ALREADY maxing out their permissible advantages, but there are plenty of other schools with an enormous amount of resources and know-how doing that too.  If maxing out permissible advantages was all it was, you'd see more fluidity between the top 15 programs or so each year.  That isn't what's happening here.  In reality, what you have is a pretty static group of elite top 4-6 programs, then a pretty large gap, then the rest of the "good" programs.   

These top elite programs are not akin to legitimate businesses honestly out-working and out-innovating the competition within the legal and regulatory guidelines of the marketplace.  These programs are more akin to criminal enterprises that are availing themselves to methods their would-be competitors aren't willing to do because the methods are illegal. The NCAA is playing the role of the weak, inept, or corrupted police force unwilling or unable to crack down on the behavior, thus removing the risk premium that rule-breakers would normally have to pay.  As a result, the raw number of the true competitors of these elite rule breaking programs is small, which gives them an ability to gain massive share in the overall marketplace.

There is a reason why criminal bootlegging organizations supported Prohibition, and it's the same reason why the SEC, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. are against the legality of paying athletes at the college level.  Legalizing a major class of previously illegal behavior will flood the marketplace with far more competition for the rule-breakers who previously enjoyed market dominance, thus reducing their comparative advantages.  

 

ST3

September 13th, 2019 at 7:11 PM ^

Revenue sharing was the solution that came to my mind, something that could easily be done with TV, video game, and apparel sales. But how can the NCAA force kids to donate their autograph money and individual advertising dollars to the pot? They can't. Those spring games and "meet the team" events are going to turn into opportunities for the players to cash in. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don't mind the sharing of the collective monies, but the whoring for dollars from autograph shows is not something I care to think about. My fandom will be reduced, because they're essentially making college football semi-pro football in toto. The "appearance" of "amateurism" will be destroyed. Maybe that doesn't matter, or shouldn't matter, but as an alum, it does.

2manylincs

September 13th, 2019 at 10:25 PM ^

If revenue sharing came to mind, you are off in left field.

NIL rights should be referred to as the olympic model. Look how many dan and dave or anton apollo ohno ads you had in previous olympics.

If the local applebees wants to give denard robinson money as a recruit to be in their commercial,  theyre allowed to.

When denard is qb1 and the local ford dealer wants to have him in their ads, they can do that.

When denard is a heisman candidate and nissan wants him in their national heisman house ads.. they can pay him to do that. 

It also avoids title ix bc if any of the above want sierra romero or a wbb player in their ad, they can pay whatever the market says they should.

 

Rupert Bear

September 13th, 2019 at 9:21 PM ^

The reason those schools are so dominant is coaching, and as we know there is nothing keeping any school from paying a head coach as much money as their little hearts desire. All of these programs, Michigan included, are already paying the person who matters most a boatload of money, so forget about this "narrowing the gap". These kids are still going to want to play for Nick and Dabo. Why? Because they win national championships and put guys in the NFL hand over first.

LKLIII

September 13th, 2019 at 6:59 PM ^

I have zero doubt that they have rich donors too. 

What I’m saying is that once NIL of players is legal, the comparative advantage the cheaters have will become smaller. Some of those southern rich guys are already serving as bag men. Maybe legalizing it will bring in more southern rich guys or prompt current bag men to plow even more resources into their teams. It might also reduce their purchasing power. If a bigger pool of competing boosters is bidding for an athlete, they’ll have to spend more just to land the same guy versus what they would of had to spend when only bidding against 1-2 other schools.

The pool of dollars chasing the players overall will grow. The amount of dollars the southern schools spend on their players will grow too. But I think many of the schools will see the percentage of the overall pool that their expenditures represent will shrink. 

DCGrad

September 13th, 2019 at 4:05 PM ^

I do think the commerce clause argument holds some water because presumably California knows it’s schools are competing with schools from other states.  I guess the product is intercollegiate athletics which they have a hand in producing along with the other school.  

This is potentially a SCOTUS case which makes it interesting.  NCAA will wait until the bill goes into effect and sue for an injunction to keep the status quo until the court cases are resolved.  So assuming this happens, I don’t think it will actually get implemented until 2024/5, but I think the momentum to pay the players will keep going until it breaks through. 

I do think it’s something that should happen, but I don’t think it’s the easy slam dunk many are portraying it to be.  The NCAA could just give in, but I doubt they will. 

Jack Be Nimble

September 13th, 2019 at 4:33 PM ^

I would disagree. I don't think the NCAA's argument makes any sense.

The NCAA seems to be using a dormant commerce clause argument as a threat, but the dormant commerce clause has generally been understood to do a particular thing that doesn't seem relevant here: It prevents states from discriminating against out of state commerce in favor of local entities.

It does not prevent states from regulating commerce in most situations and it does not prevent states from providing special services to their residents that they don't provide to people who aren't residents.

So I think the commerce clause argument seems like a serious reach. To be fair, I am also somewhat skeptical about the antitrust argument that California would supposedly use if the NCAA carried out its threat to ban the California schools.

This is all to say that I do not believe the courts will decide this conflict. The law will likely stand if it's passed, and the NCAA will have to decide whether their current model is worth cutting out the country's most populous state. I'm guessing no.

 

 

cheesheadwolverine

September 13th, 2019 at 5:08 PM ^

I'm not a constitutional lawyer and I'm sure the NCAA's lawyers have thought about it more than I have (which is none) but it seems like a big stretch to me.  My recollection is that the dormant commerce clause is pretty narrow.  It doesn't prohibit states from taking any action with an impact in interstate commerce, it prohibits discrimination against out-of-state actors or against interstate or international commerce.  Off the top of my head, I don't see how that can possibly apply here.

rym

September 13th, 2019 at 5:26 PM ^

Lawyer here. I agree with the posters above that the NCAA’s Dormant Commerce Clause argument is baseless because the proposed legislation does not discriminate against non-California players or programs. It gives a leg up to California players, but only by overriding restrictions imposed by the NCAA, an organization that the State of California is not required to obey.

The bill is analogous to other laws improving workers’ rights. These may make California a more attractive place to work, but that doesn’t mean they discriminate against other states.

Other states can and will follow suit to stay competitive in the market for good players.

A Fun Guy

September 13th, 2019 at 5:35 PM ^

The commerce power is not confined in its exercise to the regulation of commerce among the states, but it extends to those activities intrastate which so affect interstate commerce or the exertion of the power of Congress over it as to make regulation of them appropriate means to the effective execution of the granted power to regulate “interstate commerce.”
Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (U.S. 1942)

I think you just argue that allowing student-athletes to be compensated in California has an affect on all other universities and athletic departments nationwide. 

Jack Be Nimble

September 13th, 2019 at 7:11 PM ^

Congress could certainly use that argument to regulate college sports if they wanted to do so, but there is absolutely nothing in the commerce clause that gives the NCAA the right to overturn California's proposed regulation.

Without going into too much detail, the commerce clause is a constitutional grant of power to Congress which has been interpreted very broadly in the courts. The dormant commerce clause is an old judge-made doctrine that functions in precisely the opposite way. It is not a grant of power at all.

Rather, it is a constitutional restriction on the power of states enforced by judges. The dormant commerce clause has historically been applied very narrowly, only to situations in which a state is clearly discriminating against out of state commerce.

rym

September 14th, 2019 at 9:13 PM ^

You’re confusing the commerce power, which is the federal Congress’s power to regulate interstate commerce, with the “Dormant Commerce Clause” doctrine, which restricts the power of the states to interfere with interstate commerce. Only the latter applies to an action of the California legislature. 

Wickard v. Filburn relates to the federal commerce power. 

More here: (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dormant_Commerce_Clause?wprov=sfti1)

robpollard

September 13th, 2019 at 4:14 PM ^

...ignoring the idea that a full, raucous stadium will probably do more for Michigan's wins and losses than the next increment of opulence.

I so agree with this, and the rest of it. Our program is awash in a flood of money. At some point, you would hope the AD would focus less on getting an incremental $5 million or so (which would be very meaningful to EMU; not very meaningful to UM) and focus more on the game experience for fans and players.

I mention it every year, but at least football has a good secondary market so--if you want--you can scoop up a below face value ticket to a low priority game (e.g., Rutgers) that will not have full attendance by the season ticket-holders. That makes sure there are actually 100,000-plus butts in the seats for every game.

In basketball? It's a joke. Except for rare promotions focused on the top rows of the arena, you'll look for tix for a game like Presbyterian College or UMass Lowell and find nothing cheap, but then watch the game on TV and see literally thousands of empty seats.

Get it together, Warde & co!

robpollard

September 13th, 2019 at 4:34 PM ^

They don't even have to spend that money (though they certainly have it). Just get AT&T or whomever to do it, and promise them in-game advertising of that fact ("these highlights of women's tennis is brought of you by AT&T, a proud supporter of a better Michigan Stadium mobile experience!") along with a free corporate suite for 20 years or whatever.

Once AT&T does it, then Verizon will do it, and so forth.

Figure it out!
 

Kilgore Trout

September 13th, 2019 at 4:21 PM ^

I think this is kind of what you're saying, but I wouldn't support any sort of limitation on Victor's Club or season ticket seats as long as they keep charging what they charge now. If the University is going to go full free market on the tickets, I don't see why they shouldn't expect the fans to do the same.

I think I've posted this before, but my ticket to the 1997 Ohio State game was $28. The exact same ticket cost $157 this year (including the seat license, which is a requirement to buy the ticket). If ticket price increases would have matched inflation, my ticket would be $44 this year. So, the ticket now costs more than three times as much as it did in 1997 with basically no improvement to the product itself. I'm not saying that's necessarily wrong in the market, but to expect customers to not treat it like a business and a commodity is nuts. 

evenyoubrutus

September 13th, 2019 at 4:22 PM ^

I love when people throw around the word "Orwellian" having no clue what it actually means.

The government isn't forcing them to have a chip implanted in their skin so they know where they are at all times. You elect to be tracked if you want the points. Personal choice is a key phrase here.

I GUARANTEE that article was written by someone who was born in the 90s.

Yostal

September 13th, 2019 at 4:22 PM ^

I should not care about HVAC Twitter wars, but as someone who spent most of this week in a classroom that was 80-83 degrees with 75-85% humidity, I am deeply invested in knowing what other people feel is an unreasonable condition for a room.

The Geek

September 13th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^

Brian, you nailed it re: attendance priorities. 

Great idea from Saban, despite the 1984-ness. The students who could care less about the playoffs will leave regardless, and people who are fanatics will want their position tracked.

You’ll always have cheaters, but the good far outweighs the bad here imho.

Thanks 

 

 

L'Carpetron Do…

September 13th, 2019 at 4:32 PM ^

That Saban/Alabama stuff is pretty bad, even on second blush. I agree with proposals that would make Crisler a better environment and punish old, rich lazy season ticket holders,but those are a little different than the straight-up spying on students that ALabama is proposing. First of all - how do they even have the cellphone data for every student ticket? I assume its a digital bar code ticket? And that scan links up to the student's account?  But what right do they have to use the location function of the phones like this? And how could they actually do it (I'm very low-tech).

Also - Saban bitched about this after the game last week. When they were up 62-7 against New Mexico State. And he went on some rant about "being #1" and "wanting to be the best" and how the students didn't want that.  I thought to myself 1) they're students, not your players and 2) if you want them to stay SCHEDULE SOMEONE OTHER THAN NEW MEXICO STATE, YOU ODD, LITTLE SOCIOPATH.  And maybe someone should tell him his team isn't #1.  

DelhiWolverine

September 13th, 2019 at 6:58 PM ^

It’s not spying on someone if they voluntarily let you track their location. Students can choose to opt in to the tracking and as a reward for staying in the stadium all game, they get priority choice on postseason tix. No one is forcing them to do this. 

It’s like those devices most car insurance companies let you plug in that track your speed and braking in order to get a discount on your premium. You don’t have to do it if you don’t want to. 

robrip2

September 13th, 2019 at 7:03 PM ^

I don't think they would use cell phone location data anyway.  The simplest way to me would be to set up kiosks at the exists where you scan your ticket on the way out to say, 'hey I stayed till the end of the game.'  Sure you could have someone sit there with 10 people's tickets scanning them all to cheat but just stick a security guard nearby to discourage that.

The Fugitive

September 13th, 2019 at 4:33 PM ^

Bama hosts LSU on Nov 9.

Other than that, their opponents were/are Duke (in Atlanta), New Mex St, So Miss, Ole Miss, Tenn, Ark, and Western Carolina. 

Not much worth sticking around for this year. 

bringthewood

September 13th, 2019 at 5:12 PM ^

"This would be particularly good for Crisler, which often has big swathes of empty seats even for reasonably important games."

As a former basketball season ticket holder this drove me crazy. Having to pay a PSD while seeing a big swath of seats empty made me crazy so I dropped my tickets. I'll buy individually from now on.

Mgoczar

September 13th, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^

Uhh saw those illinois highlights and two things stood out

1. Peters looked good but not better than Shea

2. Even in the illinois offense - which looks similar to ours - there were a bunch of bubble screen opportunities and they didn't throw it instead opting to run to throw downfield. Why? Me thinks Brian's thought about smoke screen/bubble screen is new? or all OC's dumb? I think we must be missing something. 

Serious question: Just get an OC or Gattis to comment on this! we all need to know. Heck email the illinois OC (see image below...DBs so far off and yet they didn't throw it. Riddle me that)

LJ

September 14th, 2019 at 12:08 AM ^

What a shocker!  Blogger's solution to soft coverage that he thought about for 15 minutes is not, in fact, better than the ideas of the guys who are literally paid millions of dollars to think about this 24/7 (and who rose to those jobs by out-competing thousands of other people who also think about this stuff 24/7).

The idea that Brian -- or anyone else on this board -- sees anything that anyone on Michigan's staff missed (down to the lowest analyst) is laughable.  This is no disrespect to Brian -- his analysis is useful and great, especially on evaluating players, but come on guys.  Gattis and other OCs see these things too, and there are no doubt many reasons why they choose to do what they do that are well beyond what we can understand, based on both our limited expertise and limited data (seeing only games and not practices).