Jace Howard probably isn't going to get a ton of time but he's not a freshman so we have a picture [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

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Brian May 17th, 2021 at 12:32 PM

A series looking at Michigan's 2021-22 basketball outlook. Previously: center, power forward.

ROSTER

Caleb Houstan (Fr.): top-ten recruit stands 6'8" and knocked down more than half his threes as a junior. That'll do. Well rounded game but not likely to generate many shots himself; can attack closeouts. Power mushroom Zak Irvin.

Isaiah Barnes (Fr.): Bouncy sniper seems underrated by recruiting sites since he's 6'6", shot 45% from three as a junior, and plays above the rim. No doubt some rough edges to smooth out, but should be ready for 10 MPG maybe?

Jace Howard (So.): Coach's son got some Kenpom time last year, caused mom to tweet explosively whenever he got a bucket. Recruiting rankings (#390 on composite) suggest that if he's going to emerge as a contributor it might not be this year. Has requisite size, though.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

Is the youth here a concern?

Probably not. It is going to be young. This spot is going to be the least experienced by some distance, and it doesn't seem like there are potential reinforcements from either the guards (maaaybe Zeb Jackson could chip in?) or the fours (no viable candidates to play down, IMO). But since the rest of the lineup goes senior, senior, senior, sophomore and both candidates for major playing time should thrive in roles where they absorb shots and don't have to create them, it'll be fine.

It might be a different story if Michigan hadn't picked up Devante' Jones and there were more questions about whether they'd be able to generate shots from the pick and roll, but between Jones, Collins, and Hunter Dickinson there should be enough folks with gravity on the court to suffer a corner gunner or two. Houstan in particular is a guy who cannot be given a sliver of space. Matt D:

…one of the premier perimeter shotmakers in America. He’s at his best as a catch and shoot threat coming off screens or from a stationary position on the wing/corners. His mechanics are remarkably consistent, with a high release point, good arch and nice rotation. The sheer volume of his makes that don’t touch the rim is almost unbelievable. While Caleb has more of a set-shot, his combination of size/length will make that largely irrelevant at the college level, where closeouts aren’t likely to bother his shot. He also excels at relocating to give his guard optimal passing windows that maximize spacing.

That junior number on threes is an eyepopping 53%. While surrounded by Cade Cunningham and various other five-stars, yeah, but that's good in an empty gym. When Dickinson's gravity results in Michigan passing it around the horn, a Houstan triple is going to be one of the best shots in the Big Ten.

[After THE JUMP: Houstan's mature game, and a bouncy freshman sniper]

I've been watching games for Michigan commits this year—a new thing since now Michigan has commits who end up TV—and one thing that jumps out when you watch Houstan is the maturity of his game.

He doesn't press for shots even if he hasn't scored much. He shoots if he's got a good shot, attacks closeouts if they're overzealous, and moves the ball along if he doesn't have an opportunity. The video above also has various defensive possessions where he's able to mirror smaller guys to the basket. He needs to change very little about how he approaches the game to fit directly in as a secondary option on a college roster. (I love Frankie Collins to bits but a guy like him is inevitably going to have an adjustment period as Chet-type persons become significantly more common; Houstan is plug and play in a way he isn't.)

Meanwhile nothing about college athleticism is going to surprise a guy who's spent the last couple years practicing against the likes of Scottie Barnes, Jalen Duren, and Cunningham. Houstan also played all the IMG/Oak Hill/etc academies loaded with the best recruits in the country. The average athleticism of his opposition may actually go down. Since he's not going to be relied on to be a primary creator, he'll be good to go.

Plug Houstan in for 30 minutes and it'll be fine.

What can Michigan expect from Barnes?

Per Sam Webb, chatter around the program is that Barnes may end up being the best NBA prospect in this recruiting class despite being ranked outside the top 100. "May end up" is doing an awful lot of work in that sentence, of course. Barnes is not battle-tested or scouted to death like Diabate, Houstan, and Collins are. He's not a McDonald's All American like Bufkin is. He spent most of his high school career at a run-of-the-mill high school that wasn't high on the radar before transferring to Chicago power Simeon for an abbreviated, delayed, not-particularly-scouted senior year.

But also:

Dude can get up. That last alley-oop where he reaches behind him is eyepopping.

Barnes got rated as a shooting guard a few places, which is quite a compliment for a guy who's occasionally listed at 6'7". Matt D saw him as a small forward but gave some indication of why someone might project him as a two:

He’s a physically developed athlete with some vertical explosion at the rim when finishing. Solid first-step acceleration for a wing and good strength for a senior-to-be in High School. I don’t think absorbing contact will be an issue for Isaiah. He projects to have a college ready frame as a freshman and should be able to compete physically the first day he sets foot on campus.

As a shooter, he displays very good lower body balance on his jumper with good elevation. Has a bit of extra motion on his mechanics, but nothing that’s of great concern. Hits pull-up jumpers from both distance and midrange. Good catch and shoot floor spacer as well.

Barnes is intriguing as a shot creator with an above average handle and the ability to change direction/speed off the with a live dribble. Projects as versatile wing that can score from multiple spots on the court and have some on-ball duty depending on the matchup.

Barnes is a guy whose scouting doesn't match the ranking. Brian Snow:

"The first thing … that jumps off the page is his combination of size and athleticism. A wing who can handle the ball and at times plays on the ball, Barnes is a tremendous athlete with talent and upside. … has all the physical tools you would want, there are some legit questions with Barnes …  also has skill. He can handle the ball, he is a capable outside shooter, and he also shows the ability to pass. Quite simply, in flashes, Barnes shows you everything you would want from a prospect." -

"In flashes" is a big caveat. But here's a guy who's huge, can shoot, handle, and pass. All right. Per his junior highlight tape, he hit 45% from three, and if he can come anywhere near maintaining that he's probably going to be the most underrated prospect in his recruiting class. Again, "if" is doing a lot of work there.

Barnes could be anything from a 20 MPG fixture at the 2/3 to a deep bench option depending on what happens when he shows up on campus. I'm guessing he hits the middle of that range, acting as a Houstan doppelganger for 10 MPG with a bit more GRIII thunderdunk and considerably less polish.

How crushing is the defensive dropoff going to be here?

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the rightful DPOY [Campredon]

Michigan's starting 3 is off to the NBA and fielding 13-minute scouting videos in which the first five minutes are all on defense:

Those are Shaq-sized shoes to fill. Wagner's on/off splits are bonkers:

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That is a wing (A WING [A WIIIIIIIIIING]) singlehandedly responsible for a 50% jump in TO rate, a 40% drop in FT rate, a four-point drop in OREB rate, a seven-point dip in 3PA/FGA, and a five-point drop in 2P%. And, no this isn't an Austin Davis effect. About 25% of the possessions in both bins feature Davis. Wagner did that irrespective of who was at center.

There is no replacing that. Wagner's probably the most impactful defender Michigan has had in 20 years. Yeah maybe there's a center who had a bigger impact but this is a Tony-Gonzalez-in-your-fantasy-draft situation. I repeat: a wing!

This is going to be a major hit. While both Houstan and Barnes have a lot of defensive upside, neither is a German unicorn. Houstan's best fit college defensively is probably as a 4, and he's going to be a 3 by necessity. The best it seems reasonable to hope for is that both are average-ish B10 defenders who aren't responsible for wiping off 16 points off the board every 100 possessions.

Michigan can expect to take some steps forward elsewhere, particularly at PG (where Mike Smith was dedicated but very small) and C (where Austin Davis minutes are now Moussa Diabate minutes and Hunter Dickinson goes from freshman to sophomore), and that will mitigate some of the damage here. It won't eliminate it; Michigan is almost certainly going to drop back to the pack on D.

Comments

bacon1431

May 17th, 2021 at 2:51 PM ^

Brown and Johns, but when Johns came in, Livers would slide up to the 3. 

I like Brown as an on ball defender, but he would get lost when he had to track his man off ball. Johns is a good defender for guys that can't put the ball on the floor. 

Wagner could impact his man and as a help defender and just in smothering passing lanes. Unique defender in that regard. Not the best lateral quickness or athleticism, but his length makes a huge difference. 

DetroitDan

May 17th, 2021 at 1:35 PM ^

Franz is a small forward but actually taller than Livers.  So it might make sense to compare as a group the incoming players Diabate and Houstan to the outgoing players Wagner and Livers.  The outgoing players are probably better, but the upside for the incoming has the potential to match the outgoing players by the end of the year.  Add in Barnes as a high energy sub like Chaundee and it should be a fun team to watch.  

Michigan State should also be good and the UM-MSU games could be classic.

rice4114

May 17th, 2021 at 1:36 PM ^

Did not realize Bufkin was an Mcds AA? Wow this class is crazy. Im surprised there isnt more info on the things that is keeping Barnes out of the top 100? Id like to think that skill set/size combo puts you in the top 50 even if your jumper is so so.

mi93

May 17th, 2021 at 1:36 PM ^

I could see Johns popping out to the 3 when Moussa and Hunter are on the floor.  It would obviously be line-up specific, but could terrorize a team trying to play big.  Maybe even move Houstan to the 2 for such a spell.

AC1997

May 17th, 2021 at 2:53 PM ^

Really?  I can't see that at all....three bigs on the floor at once?  Unless we go with some weird zone that doesn't seem like a team that could defend the perimeter.  It is also tough from a floor spacing point of view.  We also need those three to sub for each other.

I think you'd see Williams next to two of those guys or a third guard before you ever saw all three bigs play together.  Might be fun in a odd ball sort of way.....but not happening.

Joby

May 17th, 2021 at 6:58 PM ^

In the highly unlikely scenario you describe, I would assume Diabate, not Johns, slides to the 3. Matt and many others have discussed Diabate’s functional athleticism at length. He’s the same height as our 3 last year (Wagner), and his ability as a switchable defender is readily apparent.

AC1997

May 18th, 2021 at 8:39 AM ^

Okay, first of all, the Bulls aren't very good so I'm not sure that's the praise you think it is.  Secondly, Vucevic and Markkanen can both shoot and space the floor.  Johns, Dickinson, and Diabate are not shooters unless you squint hard enough at Johns' numbers and hope a defense fears him.

jdraman

May 18th, 2021 at 9:37 AM ^

This exactly. Markkanen is only a career 36% 3PT shooter, but this season he’s shooting above 40% from 3. Additionally, Vucevic’s transition from “a pure P&R Center who will only operate in the lane” to “a Center who can work pick and pop or just find space beyond the arc and knock down threes” has been pretty well documented. Vucevic has shot 40% from 3 the last two seasons and is shooting 39% from three this season. 

Johns is the only “Big” on the team with a proven-quality college jump shot. And even though his numbers from last season don’t show it, he can knock down some 3s at a decent clip. But, I doubt it’s enough to make a defense truly space from the lane and respect it. Dickinson may have shot lots of 3s in HS and he may be working on his outside shot this off-season, but there is still zero proven college-readiness in his 3PT shot. Until Dickinson punishes some teams in non-conference play with pick and pop or transition 3s, defenses will not respect his outside shot. With Diabate we have a prospect with a widely scouted developmental jump shot. It’s going to be a wild ride if he can come in as a true freshmen and knock down 3s at an efficient rate. 

All this is not to say that each and every one of the Michigan “Bigs” cannot develop a quality outside shot. I think we will see at least two of them with the ability to hit 3s at above a 30% clip. But, the lineup suggestion is absurd, not only because of those offensive efficiency and floor spacing issues, but because the proposed scenario by the original comment is never going to happen.

Blue In NC

May 18th, 2021 at 10:02 AM ^

Apart from the spacing and % comments, it's also a question of the roster.  We have 3-4 big guys next year (if you count TWill), and many more guards and wing players.  It does not make sense to play 3 bigs at one time because you are creating a weakness in frontcourt depth and limiting minutes for the other 6-7 rotation guys.  If you play 3 bigs (even in the minutes where Houstan is not playing), where do you find minutes for Jones, Brooks, Zeb, Collins, Bufkin, Barnes and even Jace?

bluesalt

May 17th, 2021 at 1:36 PM ^

It’s still crazy to think that we have the top recruiting class, including four guys in the top 50, and only one first-year is likely to start.  And the only opening in the starting lineup happens to fall to the same position as our best recruit in decades.  Really excited to see what Houstan can do.  Meanwhile, Barnes’ highlight reel had me wondering if they were playing on a 9-foot hoop — it looked so effortless for him to get above the rim.

matty blue

May 17th, 2021 at 1:43 PM ^

the "are we young" question is interesting to me...yes, frosh.  also, yes, very talented frosh that will get minutes, and early.  the non-conference will be dicey, but the sheer number of minutes that they will get (almost by necessity) might have them full-throttle by february.

offensively, anyway.  defensively? uhhhhh.  magic 8-ball says ask again later.  if they're even average defenders, there's still going to be a dropoff, but these are athletic guys that will be well-coached.  i expect a february leap there, too.

edit to add - the look on the dude's face on the barnes video thumbnail?  yeah, me too.

Stringer Bell

May 17th, 2021 at 10:13 PM ^

I don't see the dropoff at defense that people are expecting.  Sophomore Hunter is an upgrade over freshman Hunter and Jones is an upgrade over Smith.  Johns and Livers are potentially a wash, Houstan a downgrade from Wagner but I don't think by that much.  And then Diabate will be a defensive force off the bench, and definitely a huge upgrade in that department over Davis.  Easy to see this being a top 5 defensive team in the nation again.

matty blue

May 18th, 2021 at 8:51 AM ^

truth be told, i don't see a huge dropoff, either. 

my hesitation is more based on not actually having seen the kids in person...plus, team defense is a team thing (that's why they call it that ;-), and it can take a little while to get the communication and coordination down. 

but, again - these are athletic kids that will be well-coached.  i expect them to be outstanding by year-end, too.  i hope so - it's been a long time since we were mediocre defensively (and who would've guessed that, after beilein's middle years here?).

Shop Smart Sho…

May 17th, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^

I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of Williams and Jackson at the 3 in the non-conference part of the schedule. Especially if Williams has a good Camp Sanderson this summer. There just aren't a lot of minutes available for him at the 4 and I can't imagine any coach in the country being very comfortable with a depth chart that has all freshman at one spot.

outsidethebox

May 18th, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^

To me, Williams remains a large and unknown wild card. I am not sure how to read his usage from last year. Indications are that Juwan likes this young man's skills a lot but is trying to figure out how to take advantage of them at this level. Williams was an impressive scorer in HS. I don't think he has to be a big-time 3 point threat to play the three slot. More importantly is whether or not he can defend the position-and I think he can. 

I believe Juwan and his staff love flipping the script and playing this game outside the box. I believe they see Williams as having the ability to dominate his defenders with his more wide body and, primarily, overpowering and out-maneuvering them in the 2-range...the new Charles Barkley. He passes very well and when he is backing down his scrawny SF defender and demanding off-ball help he will open the floor in other ways. Mismatches work in every direction-I am vey curious about Williams in this regard.

DetroitDan

May 17th, 2021 at 1:57 PM ^

These freshmen seem more like Hunter Dickinson and Iggy Brazdeikis and less like Colin Castleton and David DeJulius.  Houstan has success with high  level competition in his background and Barnes has over the top athleticism plus shooting skill.  I predict Houstan will be a major plus like Dickenson, and Barnes will be a Caris LeVert type 7th or 8th man.

AC1997

May 17th, 2021 at 2:06 PM ^

This piece pairs nicely with a detailed breakdown of Barnes over at UMHoops today.  Reading that (highly recommended) reinforces some of Brian's comments about Barnes being full of potential....but less likely to have it all figured out this year.  Think Aubrey Dawkins, Zak Irvin, or Isaiah Livers as freshmen - maybe 10-15 minutes, mostly a shooter, erratic on defense, not much of that bounce showing through other than running the break.  

I like Barnes and think he will be a key piece as a sophomore.  I'm hoping he takes the 10 minutes Houstan doesn't take.  I'm a little surprised Williams doesn't get a throwaway mention here even though he's really a PF and probably doesn't pair well with Johns/Diabate due to shooting.  But he's the right size and the coaches love him - so as a non-freshman option it might make sense.  

 

AC1997

May 17th, 2021 at 2:09 PM ^

Oh....one other question.  What do people think about Howard using a 3-guard lineup at times this year in non-Houstan minutes?  I don't love it given the size/youth of our guards, but Juwan did it at times with Simpson/Brooks/DDJ (out of necessity mostly) and if you partner them with two bigs it might be an interesting change of pace.  

I don't think Bufkin will be big enough and I don't think Zeb will shoot enough to make it work....but I could see it happening as we figure out the rotation.

njvictor

May 17th, 2021 at 5:32 PM ^

 What do people think about Howard using a 3-guard lineup at times this year in non-Houstan minutes?

If Bufkin and/or Zeb are good enough next year to demand minutes, then I could definitely see it working. Having a 6'4" or 6'6" wing obviously isn't the biggest of issues especially if they need minutes

DetroitDan

May 17th, 2021 at 4:06 PM ^

Appreciate the reference to the UMHoops article on Barnes.  Enjoyable pairing with this post.  Notable quotes:

He’s a shooter first and foremost. The majority of his shot attempts, especially in the half court, are 3-point jumpers. I broke down around seven or eight games in total and clipped 40 3-point attempts by Barnes. Of those 40 clips, he made 17 triples (42.5%).

He looks every bit of his listed 6-foot-7. Barnes looks like a big wing, not a big guard. 

The vertical athleticism is as advertised. 

The idea of “run and jump” athleticism versus “functional” athleticism gets a lot of buzz in NBA Draft circles and I do think it is fair to say that Barnes — right now — is a better run and jump athlete than a functional athlete on the court.

His next-level role is obvious: three and D wing.

If I had to pick Michigan comparisons I’d go with some hybrid of Aubrey Dawkins and Ibi Watson. Both players were primarily catch-and-shoot players early in their career, had impressive physical tools, and eventually became productive go-to options for their teams later in their careers.

The one thing working in Barnes’ favor is that there are a lot of talented players on next year’s roster who aren’t great shooters. There are at least five or six players — assuming from the group of Frankie CollinsTerrance WilliamsZeb Jackson, DeVante’ Jones, Brandon Johns and Moussa Diabate — who will play a lot of minutes this season and probably won’t be reliable volume shooters. More minutes for Barnes — in some combination — could help alleviate some floor spacing and shooting woes that U-M’s roster makeup could have.

 

bronxblue

May 17th, 2021 at 2:29 PM ^

Shot generation from the 3 always felt like one of the issues coming into the year but I agree with Jones coming in and the options they have with Dickinson as an elite passer and even Brooks/Johns at times I'm not particularly worried.  A spot-up shooter who can elevate and hit 40% of his threes is going to be deadly in the offense.  

The defense is going to take a hit; I assume Howard is aware of this as well and will compensate accordingly.  Wagner sometimes disappeared offensively but he absolutely was dialed in all year on defense and it showed.  I do think they have better athletes across the team and a higher ceiling as a result (swapping out Smith and Davis with Jones and Diabate helps, even if I think people underrated Smith as a defender), but we'll see.  

AC1997

May 17th, 2021 at 2:56 PM ^

The defense will be a wildcard to be sure....but at least the starting lineup might not be much drop-off since only one freshman projects to start, Brooks/Jones/Dickinson are all very good defenders, and the PF spot will either be a senior Johns (good interior defender, mediocre perimeter) or Diabate (unicorn potential on defense, still a freshman).  

I think the tricky part of the defensive equation is when we go to the bench.  Then it is all freshmen or Jackson/Williams and the match-ups start to get a little iffy.

bronxblue

May 17th, 2021 at 3:42 PM ^

I think Jones will be a solid defender but it will be a step up athletically for him; Smith was able to pull it off so I'm confident there.  

I think Johns will improve as a perimeter defender because the same concerns in terms of confidence offensively likely played into his defensive issues.  The size and athleticism are there so I tend to assume a final year knowing it's his jam will help.

I don't think the defense will take a massive tumble but I do think we'll see more perimeter encroachment this season than last with guys like Livers and Wagner really walling off drives and cutters.  But they'll survive.

Dr. Funkenstein

May 17th, 2021 at 9:47 PM ^

This is one of those "who the heck knows what we're going to get from these guys" scenarios but it's the opposite of the same situation we have with the football team, as with the basketball team it's a fun "who the heck knows" as opposed to a BPONE one... Coach Howard showed a lot of creativity and flexibility with this year's team and he'll have even more work in that area with next years, but his ability to adapt this year is really promising......

Teeba

May 17th, 2021 at 2:56 PM ^

I, too, think that Williams could be a 3. But I think the formal, PG-SG-SF-PF-C, lineup is not necessarily what Coach Howard is recruiting for. Take a look at the UCLA team this year. They had a PG, three 3's (or 3 interchangeable guys who were 6' 6") and a Center. Look at the '89 Championship team: Rumeal as a generous 6'2" PG, Griffin at 6'7" listed as a G, Rice, Hughes, Higgins, Vaught and Mills all between 6'7" and 6'10". Calip got very few minutes as Rumeal's backup. Look at the Fab 5 as freshmen - Talley at 6'1", the rest of the major minutes getters were 6'5" through 6'9" (7' if you include Riley.)

So how does that translate to this upcoming year? Jones at PG, 3 fill-in the blanks* guys at 2-4, and HD at the 5. I think the best 3 will start and that will be Johns, Houstan and Brooks. Coach Howard might prefer a taller 2, but you can't take Brooks off the court. He's just too valuable. But moving beyond Brooks ('22-'23 and forward,) you start seeing a bunch of 6'5" - 6'7" wing players.

Many great teams start that glue guy as their 5th starter. The guy who doesn't need the ball in his hands. Look at Ben Wallace making the Hall of Fame as an example. Griffin was that guy in '89 and Ray was the guy on the Fab 5 who just hustled for everything. That's where I see Williams contributing. Maybe he even starts at the 3 so that Houstan can come off the bench and provide offense when the primary scorers sit. Houstan could be a 30 MPG 6-th man, just to get the rotations right so that you always have balance on the floor.

njvictor

May 17th, 2021 at 3:18 PM ^

Weird that Terrance Williams wasn't mentioned in this write up once. He's kinda a 3/4 hybird and I would honestly imagine he would get minutes before Barnes

DetroitDan

May 17th, 2021 at 4:12 PM ^

According to Dylan at UMHoops, Barnes is a better spot up 3 point shooter and that's what Michigan lacks otherwise (aside from Houstan).

EDITED to add that Dylan says the following in comments:

The trouble Barnes will have trying to beat out Williams for minutes at the three is that Williams does all of those little things (50-50 balls, rebounding, toughness, etc.) that Barnes is going to have to get better at.

Of course, if Barnes shoots 40% from three and Williams struggles from three…

njvictor

May 17th, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^

Williams struggles from three

I don't think we necessarily know that yet. As was mentioned a few posts back, freshman 3 point shooting struggles aren't necessarily representative of a player's actual 3 point shooting over the course of the rest of their college career, whether it's due to sample size, confidence issues, inconsistent minutes, etc. Williams was a solid 3 point shooter in high school so I think his struggles from 3 this past year were surprising to many people

Joby

May 17th, 2021 at 7:21 PM ^

I’m a big fan of Terrance Williams, but I think the reason that he developed a  (perhaps undeserved) reputation for not being a good shooter (besides going 0-12 from 3) was because of his wonky FT-shooting mechanics. He has that super deep knee bend and takes well over a second to release it after that bend. It looked high in variance and low in confidence. I bet $10 that gets fixed and he becomes a major contributor. 

AWAS

May 17th, 2021 at 7:33 PM ^

Agree completely about Williams getting more minutes--and I think they will be the crunch time minutes.  The problem with freshman is their defense. Until they prove themselves on the defensive end, freshman minutes will be more scarce than many believe.  Williams is a capable defender with a year in the system. This is his advantage.  

OldSchoolWolverine

May 17th, 2021 at 4:39 PM ^

Brian said a "a 40% drop in FT rate"  with Franz in lineup defensively.  The chart above shows 75.6% vs 76.9%, so apparently I'm not reading the data correctly.  Someone care to explain this to me ?