[James Coller]

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Seth May 25th, 2021 at 12:35 PM

In 1946, Penn State was scheduled to play the University of Miami, which like most Southern teams of the time still refused to play integrated Northern teams unless they sat their Black players. At the time Penn State had two, and of them only Wally Triplett was a regular. By a team vote, PSU canceled the 1946 Miami game, an act that Triplett credits for the origins of its great 1947 campaign, when Penn State swept its regular season opponents and earned an invite to the Cotton Bowl.

The Cotton was one of four bowl games in existence, and one of three, the Rose excepted, with standing rules against Black players participating. Responding to rumors that administrators were talking to SMU about sitting Triplett, PSU captain Steve Suhey told the press “We play all or none, there will be no meetings.” Triplett played, and scored the game-tying touchdown. Though the school’s claim that this event and the “We Are…” cheer are connected is completely apocryphal, the moment is a special point of pride for the Nittany Lions.

Michigan could have had that moment a dozen years earlier, when Georgia Tech came to Ann Arbor in 1934, and over vocal opposition from campus protestors and the greater Michigan community, Fielding Yost agreed to sit star end Willis Ward. The details of this event have been covered many times, first as dug up by Dr. John Behee in his first book Hail to the Victors! Black Athletes at the University of Michigan (1974), then in the Black and Blue documentary based on his findings, and most recently and thoroughly by the President’s Advisory Committee Report on the Fielding H. Yost Name on the Yost Ice Arena Historical Analysis.

Yesterday this committee tasked with looking at whether Michigan should rename its buildings issued its unanimous recommendation to President Schlissel that Fielding Yost’s name should be removed from Yost Ice Arena. The report is 36 pages, and informs the committee’s six-page unanimous recommendation.

As someone who talks Yost history often, most recently in an interview on the history of the Big House that aired on student television, I hope to provide some context on the committee’s findings. I will refrain from adding my opinion on the building’s name until the end because next to the facts and the opinions of those more directly affected I don’t believe my feelings, colored as they are by my history of covering Yost, should carry much weight.

Committee, Report and Conclusions

The committee begins their recommendation letter with an unattributed message from a Michigan alum asking that the name be reconsidered because “In naming the Field House after Yost, the University chose to place one man's contributions to football and to athletics above the profoundly deep and negative impact he had on people of color,” and continued to do so over several opportunities to rename it.

The committee responds to this in the summary of its conclusion:

While we acknowledge that Yost had both successes and failures in his career, our historical analysis suggests to us that the benching of Ward was not an aberration but rather epitomized a long series of actions that worked against the integration of sports on campus.

The committee also lays out what it believes should be the standard for “honorific” naming of buildings, which is:

The names on our buildings constitute a “moral map” of our institution and should enshrine the values that we uphold.

By this standard they make a convincing case that Yost’s actions in the Willis Ward affair did not represent core values of the University of Michigan as they were formally stated in Yost’s time, or as they are instituted in practice today.

The committee was created in 2017 as the active arm of the university’s new review process for renaming buildings, and President Schlissel followed its first two recommendations, removing the names of noted eugenicist CC Little and crank scientist Alexander Winchell. In the future the same committee will likely be tasked with a recommendation on the honorific naming of Schembechler Hall, and the financial naming gift of the Weiser Center for Emerging Democracies.

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Findings of Racism

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Dan McGugin (far left) was a star on the first Point-a-Minute team. He would become Yost’s brother-in-law, and but for a WWI interruption, coached Vanderbilt from 1904 to his death in 1936, upholding the Vandy administration’s color line on all of his teams. George “Dad” Gregory (center) came with Yost from Stanford, and was thereafter the subject of Stanford president David Starr Jordan’s persistent and unsubstantiated claims of cheating. Stanford recently removed Jordan’s name from a building; Vanderbilt’s athletics building today is still called the McGugin Center. [team photo, courtesy UM Bentley Library]

The report describes Yost’s background as the son of a Confederate soldier (from a Union state so this was by choice), who spent time socially in the Sigma Chi Fraternity and Nashville upper society, which he married into. They paint a picture of a  patronizing “moderate” form of racism, one which was tolerant of segregation but not the violence that enforced it, as was the norm in these circles. There are few signs that Yost ever deviated from this norm.

Most of the report focuses on the Willis Ward scandal in 1934, when Yost not only chose to accede to Georgia Tech’s racist request to sit his star Black end, but hired Pinkertons to report on the leaders of the campus movement to play Ward or cancel the game. Prepare to cringe at Yost’s Michigamua nickname as well as the all-too-familiar behavior of the campus anti-anti-racism movement:

This disruptive group included athletes and fraternity members, but its core were the members of Michigamua, the supposedly secret senior honors society. The group had a very close relationship with both Kipke and Yost, the latter of whom was known as the “Big Scalper.” It is almost certain that the group had been asked to disrupt the meeting, by either Yost, Kipke, or both; in a 1942 alumni questionnaire a former Michigamua member recalling the event asked that the interviewer include “a good plug for Kipke who was behind us.”

If you consider those protesting the sitting of Ward were squarely on the side of history, Yost’s characterization of the student protestors leaves little doubt which side he was on:

In a letter to his brother-in-law Dan McGugin a few days after the game, Yost gave a literary sigh of relief that there had been no disruptions by “the colored organization and local radical students,” commenting that “the colored race must be in a bad situation judging from the number of national organizations that are organized to insure [sic.] racial equality or no racial discrimination.”

In December, Yost wrote to Georgia Tech’s coach, to “express to you personally my great appreciation of your assistance in handling what turned out to be a very difficult problem. I never dreamed there would be so much agitation about the matter.” In neither letter did Yost reveal any interest in second-guessing events, his role in them, or their impact on Ward.

And Willis Ward’s own words on the effect of the incident on himself and his team are excruciating to read:

That impact was devastating. As Ward himself later put it: “It was wrong and it will always be wrong. And it killed my desire to excel.” The same malaise struck the entire football team. Already a weak team that had lost the two games before the one against Georgia Tech, they lost every other game of the season—with Ward scoring Michigan’s only points, a touchdown and two field goals, in the remaining five games.

Ward also lost his competitive drive for competing in track, stating later that he did so out of a belief based on his brush with Jim Crow in Ann Arbor that if Hitler asked the U.S. to leave Black athletes off the 1936 Olympic team, they would. As he summarized in a 1983 interview, the Georgia Tech game “killed my desire. I said, well, I will go through the motions and play this season and get my degree and go about my business and try to get a law degree and practice law.”

There is no doubt that Yost’s actions regarding the sitting of Willis Ward were racist.

The report notes concerns held by Ward about attending the university because of stories of racial prejudice in Ann Arbor. The report demonstrates Ward’s (and really his father’s) apprehensions were well-founded, with ample evidence of racism in the actions of the university administrators Yost worked with and around, notably regarding on-campus housing, which was generating controversy for the school at the time of the Ward incident. They also found other Michigan sports when Yost was the football coach but not yet an administrator (and thus out of town 9 months out of the year) had similar or worse records of integration.

I can add from my research on Ann Arbor that several off-campus establishments of this era were particularly notorious for “unofficial” racial segregation. While anti-racism found its voice in a flourishing new campus left in the 1920s and 1930s, a large proportion of mainstream culture at the University of Michigan in that time did not differ significantly from the portrayal of Yost in this report.

Evidence that Yost’s actions “epitomized a long series of actions that worked against the integration of sports” in the report is sometimes contradictory.

Certainly the lack of any Black varsity football players from 1901-1931 (though teams were much smaller in that time) is the strongest evidence that Yost’s arrival “disrupted Michigan’s participation in the slow process by which racial integration in football was occurring.” George Jewett was the first Black player at Michigan or any other Big Ten team, but when he transferred to Northwestern in 1893 he became the last at Michigan until actions by well-meaning Michigan alumni convinced Ward to join the team.

The report notes that the lack of Black athletes on the football squad was remarked by the African American press, and that Yost’s color line, even if it wasn’t explicit, was known to the African American community, as this example from 1932 (regarding Willis Ward playing for Harry Kipke) suggests:

In 1932, when Ward made Varsity it was reported by Black newspapers “that it was the contention of many that former Coach Yost was prejudiced against the colored player” and that when he first arrived in Ann Arbor he was “alleged to have decreed…that no colored student would ever earn a varsity letter” in football.”

The report did not include one more quote I have to this effect, from former Michigan tennis player Dan Kean, a senior in 1934, who later said “If you want to know what it is was like then I’d have to say black students were AT the University but not OF it.” While evidence for a policy of exclusion was (by design) scant, Yost and Michigan had a reputation; the result of this reputation was Black athletes did not think to come to Michigan.

Yost certainly didn’t step in when basketball coach Frank Cappon refused to let Black athlete Franklin Lett try out for the basketball team. The report includes more incidents when Yost missed an opportunity to stand for justice. There’s a reference to “a simple, Anglo-Saxon desire for clean, energetic sport” by Yost’s ghostwriter in 1905 that he allowed to stand.

The report also notes Yost spoke at the Third Race Betterment Conference, organized by then-Michigan president CC Little. Yost’s words, other than a reference to the conference’s own racist title, were mostly innocuous and in line with his “athletics for all” mantra. But Yost was hardly unused to standing up to Michigan’s presidents when it came to support for athletics, and could have done so here.

The report quotes Yost’s second (there were three) successor as football coach, Tad Wieman, with this particularly noxious example of “Nobody Short of Jackie Robinson” syndrome:

There were certain complications that would be difficult for all with a colored man on the squad; that because of this I did not think it advisable for a colored man to be on the squad unless he was good enough to play a good part of the time. In other words, unless he were a regular or near regular, the handicaps to the squad would be greater than the advantages to say nothing of the difficulties that would encounter the individual himself. I assured him, however, that any man who could demonstrate that he was the best man for any position would have the right to play in that position.

There are also instances in the report when Yost’s actions showed, at least outwardly, that he was at least changing with the times. Regarding the most evident one—that Yost had no Black varsity players on his football teams for 30 years—this exchange with the African American press was interesting:

However, the lack of African Americans who played on Michigan’s Varsity football team began to be noticed in the African American press. In 1922 (the year before the Field House was named for Yost) two articles appeared discussing race in the athletic department. The first appeared in February in the Chicago Defender, which had national syndication, regarding rumors about a “color line” in sports at Michigan. The article quoted a letter from Yost to Oscar Baker, the Black alumnus and lawyer in Bay City who would later help African American students with their housing issues, stating “very positively” that “a Colored student athlete stands on the same footing as regards athletics as anyone else in the university.” Yost claimed that he “would not consider a coach worthy of the name who did not feel that the best men qualified to make up the various teams should have a place.” Both Baker and the article accepted Yost’s statements, commenting, “if the student body has Southern traditions, the same does not affect the athletic department.” A month later, the Cleveland Gazette published an article about Black Ohioan DeHart Hubbard who had just enrolled at Michigan. In it, Yost approvingly described Hubbard “as a boy they were pleased to have at Michigan and stated he intended to see that he got a square deal.”

The report found Yost supported a “Law and Order League” in Nashville whose purpose was to prevent lynching, and they found other Black athletes who participated in football despite not making varsity, undermining the link between Yost’s views and Tad Wieman’s remarks. They found Yost, upon becoming athletic director, cooperated in the recruitment of Black track star William DeHart Hubbard, citing Behee’s characterization of this as motivated by competitiveness. And they found public support (one time) for an organization that helped local Black families, and an antipathy for anti-Semitism and support for Jewish athletes that was somewhat remarkable for his time and place.

Errors, Omissions, and Criticism of the Report

For the most part, the 36-page report is a fair and comprehensive account of the consensus historical knowledge of Yost’s record on race. But there are a few significant problems with it, and I also have some questions about their conclusions.

The report makes numerous references to works by Dr. Tyran Steward, a former UM lecturer (and Ohio State Ph.D.) working on a book about Willis Ward, but does not mention another famous Yost incident from Steward’s research that conflicts with portrayal of Yost, this from 1932:

Although Big Blue relied on the Palmer House Hotel for lodging through the years, the hotel’s management was unreceptive to the requests made by Kipke for Ward to stay there. When they declined to alter their policy, “Yost flip-flopped from being a segregationist.” Ward remembered Yost saying, “Well, we have been staying at this hotel since 1900. We will pull every team that we have and not stay. . . . And I am going to see if I can’t get other Big Ten schools to also not stay at your hotel.” Officials at the Palmer House Hotel relented.

Most of our modern discussion of the Willis Ward incident, in fact, draws heavily on the research and conclusions of Behee in his first book. Behee is a friend, his recent book Coach Yost: Michigan’s Tradition Maker comes recommended by myself and Craig Ross on this site, and Behee has contributed an article on Yost for our Hail to the Victors 2021 magazine this summer. He was not contacted by the commission. Other experienced historians like Dr. Steward, John U. Bacon, and John Kryk who have written books about Yost, can give you a stronger answer than I can, and probably could have done better than the report. So could Greg Kinney and Brian Williams at the Bentley Library. Greg Dooley, the program’s historian in chief, was not even referenced in the report.

The report explicitly drew from familiar works of these historians, though to my knowledge none of them were informed their writings were being used for this purpose, nor that the committee was considering removing Yost’s name from the hockey arena. I believe the committee erred in not seeking feedback from these experts before publishing their recommendation, as this can be interpreted as disinterest in interpretations that do not fit the committee’s conclusions.

I also found one important note was misrepresented in a way that may have played a role in the conclusion. On Page 26 the authors write:

There was some precedent for that hope. McGugin had told Yost how when Ohio State played against the segregated Naval Academy, a Black player, William Bell, was not permitted to play against the Midshipmen in Annapolis, but was allowed to play the following year in Columbus. The Vanderbilt coach had also claimed that he had been willing “not to make any particular point [about playing against Bell] as we were going to their field” in 1931, but he had been overruled by Vanderbilt’s Board of Trustees.

While Ohio State did allow “Big Bill” Bell to play in the return game against Navy in 1931, they only did so because the Naval Academy, under its new head coach Edgar Miller, changed its policy in the interim, a fact that McGugin explained in his letter to Yost (see Benching Jim Crow: The Rise and Fall of the Color Line in Southern College Sports, 1890-1980, by Charles H. Martin). Ohio State benched Bell in the 1931 Vanderbilt game prior to the second Navy title, and in all three of those games deferred to the visitors’ requests. By 1934, Ohio State had hired a new coach who reinstated the color barrier for the rest of the decade, refusing to even let Jesse Owens try out of for the football team (their administration wouldn’t let Owens live on campus either). Yost’s diffident approach in the leadup to the Georgia Tech game was probably seen by him as a softening of OSU’s example.

This is part of a greater failure in the report to contextualize Michigan’s racist performance under Yost against norms for similar schools of the day. I believe this failure is mostly due to a lack of information, not willful ignorance. The report makes reference to only three other studies, two by Ivy League university presses and one by Stanford. The latter (the link in Michigan’s report is broken—the report can be found here), ironically concerns Stanford’s founding president, David Starr Jordan, who in addition to being a leading eugenicist was Yost’s greatest contemporary critic. Michigan knows much more about its racist past in the early 20th Century because we have authors who’ve studied it; few other schools have partisans so willing to look under the hood.

One line of evidence they did not follow but could have used to enlighten Yost’s racial attitudes was his relationship with other important figures at the university in his time. Yost was close with his immediate predecessor Philip Bartelme, his former player and team manager, and athletic director from 1908-1921. Yost was also often in contact with 1910-1913 baseball coach Branch Rickey; Yost trusted him enough to hire Del Pratt and then Ray Fisher on Rickey’s recommendations. Bartelme left Michigan to join his good friend Rickey in Major League Baseball, where Bartelme scouted and Rickey signed Jackie Robinson. It’s a fact that Michigan had no Black baseball players from 1883 to 1923, at which point Yost supported Rudy Ash’s joining the team, under Fisher. Yost’s close association with two men involved in the most famous desegregation moment in sports history is worth at least exploring, especially since their own records at Michigan are hardly better than Yost’s.

There’s little doubt Yost had the power and opportunity in 1934 to support Willis Ward had he chosen, or that some actions by Kipke and associates could be interpreted as carrying out Yost’s will. The report claims Yost was “disappointingly enabled by” 1929-1951 president Alexander Ruthven and members of the Board of Control, though concludes that “our research convinces us that he must bear the responsibility for the actions described in this report.” It is interesting that contemporaries who sought to change Yost’s “cowardly plan” addressed themselves to Ruthven. This could have been because they saw Ruthven as more receptive to their pleas, but could also indicate a balance of power. I also find it interesting that Yost’s most progressive acts (and indeed his hiring as athletic director) took place during the 1920-1925 tenure of President Marion Burton, who was by accounts Yost’s only true ally and friend among the presidents he served under. A more thorough understanding of Yost and other power figures’ relationships and spheres of influence might allay doubts as to which figure bears the brunt of responsibility.

I did not think the evidence in the report supported one of the conclusions, that Yost “endorsed the view that football was an Anglo Saxon sport at a time when that identification carried powerful racial messages.” It’s certainly easy to point at the 1905 book and say “It’s got his name on it.” However the footnote in the report is correct in that consensus historical opinion holds Yost was unlikely to have contributed that line:

Yost was listed as the author on the book’s cover, but the text likely came from Charles Van Keuren, a Michigan alumnus who sought to capitalize on Yost’s fame to boost sales. Per their arrangement, Yost would supply the copy, play diagrams, and team photographs, while Van Keuren supplied the text. Thus, who penned those words is unknown, but Yost clearly did not strongly object to them.

The report also misses some important context by ending its story with Yost, which was absolutely not the end of racism in Michigan’s football program or athletic administration. Fourteen years after the Willis Ward affair, the fall after the Cotton Bowl and SMU quietly backed down after a Penn State player said “all or none,” Gene Derricotte was the only non-white player on Bennie Oosterbaan's 1948 "Mad Magicians" team, which repeated as national champions. A decade later the roster had expanded considerably, but Michigan still only had three Black players on it. Behee’s book has direct evidence that after “integration” Michigan participated in an unofficial quota system that kept Black participation to just one player per class until 1968, an effect you can literally see in the 1969 team photo:

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I don’t think more examples of racism in Michigan Athletics in any way exonerates Fielding Yost for his actions. To the contrary I think these examples underline the severity of it, and how deeply rooted, though quiet, these practices were, and therefore how righteous and necessary the campus activism of Black students and their allies was to effect change.

My Interpretation

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Michigan named the rink for Red in 2017. [Bill Rapai]

I speak here for myself, not for MGoBlog or anyone else who works here. I’ve studied a lot of Michigan history from before, during, and long after Yost, and from that I can say with some authority that racism at Michigan neither began nor ended nor changed much on account of Yost.

The Crisler era that followed was marred by unofficial quotas to keep Black players to a minimum. Schembechler made it clear to his players they were to stay away from the successor movements of the social justice activists of Yost’s time. When I was at Michigan in the early 2000s and the school’s admissions policies were national legal news, the College Republicans were given permission to set up in Angell Hall selling “Affirmative Action Bagels” that were $1.00 for white customers and 10 cents for Black students. I doubt any Black student in the history of the school has ever made it through their scholastic career without at least some racist incident on campus. Racism at Michigan isn’t some nebulous problem of the past. It’s our reality today.

How does it happen? Read the report. It’s a culture, a cancer, and nothing would have changed if there hadn’t been people who cared more about justice than whether “polite” society gets smacked in the face.

As for Yost’s culpability, of course he knew he was wrong; why else would this man who loved the limelight suddenly shirk it? Why else would the most competitive man of his era sit one of his best players, or a coach whose entire style was about building up confidence undermine his team? That this was not unusual for a man of his times who mostly changed with his times does not dismiss his failure. He no doubt failed to meet the moment when Michigan played Georgia Tech in 1934, and his subsequent actions to defend his decision rightfully earn him censure by future generations. This was the definition of an “I don’t see what the big deal is”-style racism that allowed that culture to flourish then and survive today. Placing the blame for the effects of one’s moral cowardice on “radicals” and “agitators” had miserable precedents then and more today.

Yost’s upholding of the “gentleman’s agreement” is evidenced enough in the makeup of his teams. If we all take away nothing else from this report, I want us all to understand this is how racism works. It’s not the things that are said aloud, because the whole point is not to have to say anything. Black athletes knew not to play for Michigan under Fielding Yost. When one man finally did, his worst suspicions were confirmed. Yost made racist decisions, and I’ve had no problem saying so when I talk about his contributions to Michigan athletics. I do not find him in any way remarkable in this regard from other athletic directors of his era, and I have no problem with calling out the lot of them if it helps us move past the decision cycle.

I find attempts to place one man on this curve, with “Okay, you can keep your name on your building” at some undefined point along it, to be a shallow exercise for people who want easy labels. The whole society was racist, but inside of that you had some people trying to change things for the betterment of us all. It’s better that we named the renovated room in the student Union after Willis Ward, and that Michigan and Northwestern are choosing to honor George Jewett. Whatever you do with Yost Ice Arena, find something to honor Joseph Feldman, William Fisch, and Danny Cohen, the names of student ringleaders Yost’s Pinkertons gave to President Ruthven, and who were quietly dismissed in July 1935. Without those three the next administrator faced with this question would not have feared a backlash, as Yost didn’t after the example of Ohio State. Whatever they do with Crisler for the quota system, I think we need to honor the few guys who did come: Guy Curtis, David Raimey, Bennie McRae, Jim Pace, Bob Marion, Lowell Perry, Gene Derricotte, and more who had to be greater than great, and carry the reputation of millions with their own.

I believe Willis Ward that Yost’s decision ruined him and the team, as I believe Triplett that his teammates’ support motivated their great 1947 run. I believe that this extends to the Michigan community and greater society, which becomes energized when we stick up for each other, and demoralized when we don’t.

I personally don’t have much care for what a building is named. I have great memories in Yost Ice Arena, and they won’t be affected if it’s renamed Berenson Ice Arena, because most of those experiences were thanks to Red’s teams. If years from now history shows Berenson failed in his moment, they can change it to Hughes Arena to honor the 30 first rounders that family sent here.

I find most conversation around honorifics either obvious or boring, and this one falls in the latter camp. C.C. Little got a building because they noticed all but two presidents—Little and Ruthven—weren’t going to have buildings so they found a pair. Winchell got a house because they needed nine former professors with long tenures. You spent more time reading this than the people who named those spent on their subjects. It’s an easy call.

Yost Ice Arena is not. It’s a balance. The Field House was named after him because he invented the concept, and the name was bestowed after another contentious fight between the faculty who found Yost’s zeal for athletic competition distasteful, and the regents and alumni who were all about the football. His association with hockey is equally earned; Yost raised the hockey program to varsity status in late 1922, and in 1928 he purchased the Weinberg Coliseum they’d been renting, renovated it, and filled it with artificial ice, just before the Depression hit and ended all the building projects. His impact on campus was such that I could make a similar case for almost any sport, and his impact on women's athletics at Michigan is second only to the passage of Title IX.

His impact on Black athletes and would-be athletes who never got a chance to play at Michigan may not have differed from an average man of his time, but it was manifest. When nearing the end of his career he had a chance to demonstrate his growth, Yost chose to duck. That is now as much a part of his legacy as the buildings.

I believe the racial issues at Michigan in Yost’s time were systemic, and while it’s fair to hold one man accountable for his role in that system, wiping his name from the building is a performative gesture, not a remedy. More than a name, I think there should be a bronze placard outside the arena, telling the Willis Ward story where people waiting for their friends will read it because it’s too cold to hold a phone in your face.

I’m less thrilled about the standard that “The names on our buildings constitute a ‘moral map’ of our institution.” I think this runs the risk of making honorees two-dimensional, and will lead to more icky donor names that are harder to correct. History is not a moral map. It shows us where we’ve been, what choices led to darker paths, what perils might lie along the way, and how we’ve corrected mistakes.

More than anything I think that the 36-page report produced by the advisory committee is something every Michigan fan should read, especially if you choose to comment on this after. More important by far than the measure of one long-dead man is that we gain a better awareness of how regular living men and women contribute to racism at the University of Michigan, and how being a part of this society has soaked the stench of it into all of us. If you’re pointing to one guy and saying “He’s a racist (and because I’m pointing I’m not),” you’re missing the point.

I think the story of Willis Ward, and the context it happened in, are relevant today. I think his heroic choice to rebreak Michigan’s color barrier should be celebrated, that the efforts of his recruiters should be recognized, that people should know if not for Harry Kipke those recruiters probably wouldn’t have even tried. I think we should honor the heroic voices of activists of the past, and that the righteousness of the causes they agitated for are instructive in how we regulate our annoyance at their successors’ insistence we face our facts. I think knowing the particular way a man like Fielding Yost failed will help us find our voice when it’s our moment.

Comments

Maize4Ever

May 25th, 2021 at 12:48 PM ^

Let me synopsize:  Its PC WOKE BS CRAP to yank Yosts name off...to punish people and hold then to todays standards from generations gone by is stupid and unfair

 

to all u pc correct woke  bsers,,according to YOU we should remove anything associated with Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and others because they owned slaves  RIGHT??? u cant have it both ways yet u want to..HYPOCRITS  to all u downvoters out their u show ur hypocricy unless you support removing Jefferson and Washinton and Cancelling them too...give me a break.

The Homie J

May 25th, 2021 at 1:42 PM ^

Weird how easy it is for people to dismiss historical racists because "that's just how it was then!" when there was often just as many people back then who outwardly and openly stated how wrong it was.  It's just that the 'leaders' back then tended to be on the racist side, because when new leaders with new attitudes come to power, society changes.  Fancy that!  

You either stood by without helping to affect positive change (which is fine, I guess if you didn't actively perpetuate it), but I thought "Leaders and Best" applied to those who actively helped change the paradigm for the better.  Let's honor those people instead.

MI Expat NY

May 25th, 2021 at 2:43 PM ^

Amen to that.  The canard that 100 years from now the people will judge our time harshly, so we shouldn't harshly judge those from a time long past is complete bullshit.  Yes, I hope 100 years from now people are judging our time harshly, we have a long way to go to be a just and equal society.  But that doesn't mean any single individual today must meet the same fate.  Treat everyone fairly, with kindness and respect no matter your differences.  Say something when you see an injustice.  Do not simply accept that the system is imperfect.  Live up to those simple ideals and you will never have to worry about your name being stripped off a building, no matter what era you come from.

Ezeh-E

May 26th, 2021 at 8:14 AM ^

I certainly hope so. If this is a reference to Yost, he had plenty of other opportunities to right his wrong towards Ward. So I'd judge him by that act and the many he continued to do/not do moving forward. I expect the same of me from those in the future, not that I'll be famous enough for people to read about me after I die.

Ali G Bomaye

May 26th, 2021 at 12:11 PM ^

I think the whole point, and nuance, of Seth's column was that Yost was a very complex person. He obviously did some great things, and just as obviously did some pretty abhorrent things.

The question is not whether Yost (or anyone else) is "all good" or "all bad." The question is, given the mix of qualities inherent in any person, whether that person deserves celebration as the namesake of one of the University's most prominent buildings.

grumbler

May 26th, 2021 at 10:04 AM ^

I'm not sure what you believe is "categorically false" (sounds like hyperbole), but lots of people (including me) advocated full marriage equality a decade ago, so I have no idea what your point is.  If it is that you considered yourself enlightened because you advocated for civil unions instead of full marriage equality, then you consider poorly.

MI Expat NY

May 26th, 2021 at 10:53 AM ^

Context matters.  10 years ago many argued for same sex civil unions to make sure the gay community had equal rights and protections under the law thinking that civil unions were more likely to get through a close minded society hung up on the word marriage and that over time society would move towards recognizing that same sex marriage was fine and normal.  Most of those people are happy they were wrong and the move to legalize same sex marriage was much swifter than thought possible.

Today, if you advocate to a return to civil unions and a ban on same sex marriage, you're right, you'll be thought of as a bigot. 

This doesn't change the fact that even in one's time if you treat people fairly, equally, and with kindness, you're not going to have much to worry about with your legacy.

Ezeh-E

May 26th, 2021 at 2:18 PM ^

Eh I see where you're coming from, but you're ignoring context. Many advocating for same sex unions were more focused on getting legal protections than fighting the, at the time, uphill battle against those who focused on the definition of marriage. I don't think most rational people would consider that a bigoted approach...

SalvatoreQuattro

May 25th, 2021 at 6:47 PM ^

Except many of those “anti-racists” had their own personal foible. Misogyny, homophobia, political extremism/radicalism, etc.

It isn’t enough to be against racism. Racism is just one of a great many ugly sins that plague the species. This singular focus on race distorts us morally.

Fred Hampton is admired for fighting racism in America. He was also a Marxist-Leninist. That is glossed over because the destruction of millions of Slavic and Chinese lives doesn’t matter to so-call Progressives.

Our society is as morally hypocritical and parochial as it has ever been.

Phaedrus

May 26th, 2021 at 11:43 AM ^

I fail to see how this is relevant. It's not like Seth suggested naming something after Fred Hampton. Instead of pointing out the flaws of the anti-racists Seth actually suggested we venerate, you mention one who has nothing to do with Michigan. The flaw you point out is pretty weak, too. That's the same lazy argument people use to accuse religious participants of sharing the guilt of their faith's history, whether it be inquisition, jihad, or cast system.

I also find your assertion that we have a "singular focus on race" to be misguided. In America, when examining the sins of our past, we do emphasize racism more than other problems because of its outsized role in our history—and our present.

Desert Wolverine

May 26th, 2021 at 2:08 PM ^

It is not weird at all.  I suggest a listen to Jordan B Peterson's lectures on the nature of the German populace participation in the holocaust.  While we all would like to think we would be a schindler, we know from history that for every Schindler, there are 5 million, regular Joes who cannot find the will to sacrifice everything they have to help others.  Now I realize that Yost was not a "regular Joe" in this context, he was a leader, I think that given his multiple roles at the university at the time, he was in a no win situation in many decisions, and he took the path that he thought was best for the entire organization.  To peer back through the decades and pretend to understand his thought process is disingenuous at best.  As Antony said about Caeser, the evil they have done lives on.  I think when you look at the good for the University that Yost did, his name deserves to remain on that building

SituationSoap

May 25th, 2021 at 1:07 PM ^

Ignoring the silliness of the rest of this comment, taking a dead person's name off a building is not "punishing" them. It's not doing anything to them, because they're dead.

 

Fielding Yost has been dead for 75 years. We can't, and haven't been able to, punish him. He is not going to be personally offended if we take his name off a building. He's not going to feel good about it staying up. He's not going to do anything, because, again, he's extremely dead and will be dead for the rest of time.

JFW

May 25th, 2021 at 3:18 PM ^

That is very true. However, knowing the full history of Yost it might be nice for current African-American students to not walk into or past a building named for a guy with a history of racism. It wouldn't be for us, it would not be to punish Yost, it would be for the current students.

Indiana Blue

May 25th, 2021 at 5:18 PM ^

Yost was racist ... yet supported black athletes to be on the baseball team ?   

It is so easy to focus a recommendation to "ban" based on generic perceptions.   Very, very few people can even comment on what real everyday life was like in 1934.  But isn't the concept to strive for betterment and freedom of will for all Americans (not every country even supports individual freedoms) in such a fashion that today is better for all people than in 1934, which then bodes well for what everyday life will be like 87 years from now in 2108.    

There is no doubt whatsoever that Yost brought Michigan prominence and prestige to the University, which then also brought recognition to the standards of education which Michigan is still renowned for today.  Over 2,000 years ago stoning people to death was "acceptable"? .... but a man clearly stated ... “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”  The committee chose to throw the first stone.

I think it's a sad day.

Kevin13

May 25th, 2021 at 6:07 PM ^

Your right Indian Blue. No one on this board has any idea what life was like 87 years ago and it’s easy to be an arm chair QB today and just say he’s wrong because today it is wrong. Hell I probably said things 30+ years ago that today would be considered terrible but then everyone said it and it was funny. No one can know what the future holds and how society will change. It’s easy today to be holier then now but like you said let those cast the first stone!

blue in dc

May 25th, 2021 at 8:11 PM ^

First off, as many others have noted, choosing to stop honoring someone amd banning them are very different things.   Second, what does your whole point about striving for betterment and freedom for all have to do with Yost?   Isn’t the whole issue that he didn’t strive for betterment and freedom?  Finally, it seems like a huge leap to suggest that Yost had much to do with the University’s prominence as an educational institution.   The University was being cited as the model public institution of higher learning in the 1860s, the med school opened before that.   Maybe the engineering school wouldn’t have opened in 1920?   Or it wouldn’t have been an important hub of research during World War II?

XiX

May 25th, 2021 at 10:22 PM ^

Racism was wrong 87 years ago and will still be so 87 years from now. And, unless I'm mistaken, the committee recommending Yost's name be removed from a building is a FAR cry from a group of men distorting scripture and trying to stone a woman to death who was caught in adultery (never mind the hypocrisy of not bringing the man she was with to be stoned also).

And, since you brought Him up, that same man you reference also said "if your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him." Not "Meh, it's ok; you were just a man of your time. You're good."

25dodgebros

May 26th, 2021 at 4:23 PM ^

You are wrong.  There will be the same amount of evil in the world in 2108 as there is in 2021.  Humanity is not on an upward moral progression that will reach perfection in some future year.  We are, and always will be, a mixture of good and bad; capable of both greatness and great evil.  And in 2108 the consensus will be that one or more of your beliefs, that you hold to be moral and good, is, in fact, the embodiment of evil.  You just don't know which ones they will be.  

gustave ferbert

May 25th, 2021 at 3:37 PM ^

Then why aspire to anything?  We're all going to be very dead at some point in the future.  Why would it be worth anyone's while to devote energy to any endeavor  greater than ourselves knowing that our legacy is going to be overanalyzed because certain episodes occurred that were inconsistent with current social mores?

JFW

May 25th, 2021 at 4:28 PM ^

Presumably to be the best person that we can be? 

And I have a hard time viewing this is over analysis of Yost. When people were trying to take down statues of Grant that to me was silly because it ignored the change in progress he made over his life. I don't necessarily see the same thing with Yost.

B-Nut-GoBlue

May 25th, 2021 at 2:17 PM ^

You wouldn't know being woke if woke hit you upside the skull.  You're doing the typical appropriating of a term you find insulting do to your own shortcomings.  And then weaponizing it, pretending you ever even understood it.  It's what your ilk do.

Goodnight.

Oh, and before shut eye...how hilarious it is to read "it's unfair".  Wow.

Ok, back to sleep.

MMBbones

May 25th, 2021 at 3:55 PM ^

The South was very wrong in the 1860s. But intimating the North fought the Civil War because it was against racism is revisionism. The North used slavery/racism as a motivator after it became convenient to do so. The Civil War (or War of Northern Aggression or anything else you want to call it) was not indicative of a bunch of righteous Americans from the North recognizing racism is the evil we now know it to be. As always, follow the money.