Michigan is a public team just like the Steelers and Cowboys in the NFL. They attract the casual bettor because of their name. That's why the spreads are often skewed and higher than they would be in a lower profile matchup.
Vegas will be heavy on the wolverines and rooting for the Spartans.
The line this weekend will probably close around 8 after opening (for the whales) at 5.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the big bettors that got mich -5 didn't turn around and take Spartans +8 for the middle.
I don't understand why so many posters say this game is MSU's Super Bowl. It seems to me that the B1G championship game is their Super Bowl since they've played in three of them as opposed to Michigan's zero.
Michigan State hates Michigan with a burning passion. It will never been some love-hate rivalry like Michigan Ohio State, Duke UNC or Red Sox Yankees.
Also for all the talk of Micigans superior talent it hasn't shown up for a title in 15 years.
I look at Jim Harbaugh at Michigan the same way I look at Better Call Saul. It's the 4th season and things are moving mighty slow. Harbaugh hasn't turned into Nick Saban and Jimmy hasn't turned into Saul.
I can name twenty college teams and at least half the NFL that would keep their current coach over Harbaugh. Now that's not to say that he's not a good coach or that he wouldn't be in demand. But he's not THAT in demand.
Not sure why they would go out of their way to describe themselves as friends if they hate each other.
Anyway, good hire by Michigan - this is a guy who understands rivalries. Can't wait until he ribs Howard for dropping that ball back in 90 against him.
Each team plays the following:
6 games in their own division
4 games against other conference division on a rotating basis - that way each guaranteed to play a road game at every NFL team in 8 year period.
4 games against same conference division
2 games against the team in their conference that finished the same as they did in the divisions they are not scheduled to play.
Look I'm all for history but trotting out old records doesn't mean a thing to new recruits. Here's what recruits know - the won/loss record that they can remember (mainly the last ten years).
Michigan vs MSU 3-7
Michigan vs OSU 1-9
Also here's Michigan's record vs both since MSU joined the Big Ten
Think about it with 40 bowl games the value has been utterly diluted. The vast majority of schools lose money on bowl games - they are simply winter programming for ESPN at this point. And if they really wanted to they could still have a couple in and around the playoff games sort of like the NIT
The 32 team playoff makes Southern teams play up North which they are loathe to do and it makes them go in December.
Also it preserves the Big Four bowl games in fashion by having playoff games in New Orleans, Miami, Pasadena and Tempe on New Year's Day. They can still have the Rose Parade.
It adds 5 games (which is a lot) for two teams. Take away the conference championships and that's 17 games, but it's only two more games than the maximum today.
But for 16 teams it doesn't add a game at all and if you kill the conference championships it doesn't add a game for an additional 8 teams.
This game has been available to bet all year as a "game of the year". Don't get too excited that's just how they bill it but there are at least a dozen "game of the year" listings for every week.
This line has bounced around and has been as high as OSU -14 (early in the year) and OSU -1 (early October before Michigan lost to MSU).
Last week it was OSU -6.5. I expect it will be OSU -4.5 when it opens around 4pm today.
Spartan Stadium, Ohio Stadium, Michigan Stadium, Kelly-Shorts Stadium, Dyche Stadium (Ryan Field), Mountaineer Field, Kinnick, Metrodome, Erickson Stadium (WVU vs ECU and Tire Bowl), Lane, Byrd, Carter-Finley, Gator Bowl, Heinz Field, Cardinal Stadium, Alumni Stadium, Wallace Wade, Memorial Stadium (Indiana), Carrier Dome
Big Ten mini review in order:
Kinnick Stadium - my favorite in the BIg Ten
Spartan Stadium - concourses need to be redone and they've cracked down on tailgating. Great instadium experience
Ohio Stadium - my favorite of the mega (90k plus) stadiums.
Michigan Stadium - too crowded. If they used normal sized seats would seat 85,000 and be much more comfortable. Much louder since they did the renovations though.
Beaver Stadium - They just kept expanding. It's like an errector set go awry. Good tailgating.
Byrd Stadium - Can't believe they're in the league - nice little stadium. Good fans for the most part and no issues tailgating.
Dyche Stadium - went in the 80s when they sucked. Saw a frat rolling a half barrel into the stadium and they set it up in the endzone stands.
Memorial Stadium - sad. Could be nice if they were ever any good
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Well to be fair both teams have eleven players who start on offense - that's similar.
Disagree on the practice time. Maybe back in the day it did but now? Meh.
There are 40 bowls. I don't think that practice is helping 80 teams.
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Michigan is a public team just like the Steelers and Cowboys in the NFL. They attract the casual bettor because of their name. That's why the spreads are often skewed and higher than they would be in a lower profile matchup.
Vegas will be heavy on the wolverines and rooting for the Spartans.
The line this weekend will probably close around 8 after opening (for the whales) at 5.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the big bettors that got mich -5 didn't turn around and take Spartans +8 for the middle.
I don't understand why so many posters say this game is MSU's Super Bowl. It seems to me that the B1G championship game is their Super Bowl since they've played in three of them as opposed to Michigan's zero.
Michigan State hates Michigan with a burning passion. It will never been some love-hate rivalry like Michigan Ohio State, Duke UNC or Red Sox Yankees.
Also for all the talk of Micigans superior talent it hasn't shown up for a title in 15 years.
At some point it's put up or shut up.
The correct answer as always is "pain".
State wins 27-23. Patterson is overwhelmed in first start in this rivalry and fumbles once and throws two picks
Michigan 36 Western 13
I look at Jim Harbaugh at Michigan the same way I look at Better Call Saul. It's the 4th season and things are moving mighty slow. Harbaugh hasn't turned into Nick Saban and Jimmy hasn't turned into Saul.
Not for this year but in a future season as a one off made for TV spectacular.
Looks like there's a decent sized hole in ND's 2024 sked and Michigan has a home game vs Oklahoma on the books.
MSU 67 UM 62
Purdue 69 PSU 61
That pick em was a placeholder.
Msu -3.5 o/u 134.5
He did fire Ernie Harwell
Minus well play where people want to go. Put this thing in Vegas. Pac12 has and they don't have teams in Nevada.
If you don't think that sort of thing doesn't happen in every major college town.
Jim Blanchard (msu class of 64) and former governor has been named special advisor to Engler.
Great PR move. Democrat and Republican riding in to save the day and put this story to bed (at least nationally).
Spartans are closing ranks to protect Izzo and Dantonio.
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That's not that unusual. That's the life they lead
Dan Quinn has had jobs with 10 different teams in 23 seasons.
Nick Saban had jobs with 12 different teams in 23 seasons before he got the Bama job.
That's not that unusual. That's the life they lead
Dan Quinn has had jobs with 10 different teams in 23 seasons.
Nick Saban had jobs with 12 different teams in 23 seasons before he got the Bama job.
I can name twenty college teams and at least half the NFL that would keep their current coach over Harbaugh. Now that's not to say that he's not a good coach or that he wouldn't be in demand. But he's not THAT in demand.
When Arkansas canned him
When Arkansas canned him
http://www.mlive.com/chippewas/index.ssf/2012/09/chippewas_dan_enos_spa…
Not sure why they would go out of their way to describe themselves as friends if they hate each other.
Anyway, good hire by Michigan - this is a guy who understands rivalries. Can't wait until he ribs Howard for dropping that ball back in 90 against him.
But I memba them beating Wolverines in 95 and 96
How can you lump Michigan in with those three schools in talent?
I suppose you are using the high school star system for recruits. But a better judge of "talent" is number of NFL players.
Michigan has 29 players in NFL.
MSU 27
Ohio State 41
Alabama 46
Florida State 45
It's already priced into the line. Michigan's qb woes are well known and Peters isn't worth a td for gamblers.
Look at it this way: JOK is awful, Speight is hurt and Peters is a freshman who hasn't show much and he just left the previous game with an injury.
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OSU gonna run it up if possible. They still have a backdoor path to the CFP but they have to have 4 straight blow outs (msu, ill, UM and wisky).
Buckeyes 41 Wolverines 16
Each team plays the following:
6 games in their own division
4 games against other conference division on a rotating basis - that way each guaranteed to play a road game at every NFL team in 8 year period.
4 games against same conference division
2 games against the team in their conference that finished the same as they did in the divisions they are not scheduled to play.
I'm pretty sure one Rose Bowl appearance in last 10 years doesn't count as "regularly".
Look I'm all for history but trotting out old records doesn't mean a thing to new recruits. Here's what recruits know - the won/loss record that they can remember (mainly the last ten years).
Michigan vs MSU 3-7
Michigan vs OSU 1-9
Also here's Michigan's record vs both since MSU joined the Big Ten
Michigan vs MSU 35-26-2 (.571)
Michigan vs OSU 26-35-2 (.429)
Think about it with 40 bowl games the value has been utterly diluted. The vast majority of schools lose money on bowl games - they are simply winter programming for ESPN at this point. And if they really wanted to they could still have a couple in and around the playoff games sort of like the NIT
The 32 team playoff makes Southern teams play up North which they are loathe to do and it makes them go in December.
Also it preserves the Big Four bowl games in fashion by having playoff games in New Orleans, Miami, Pasadena and Tempe on New Year's Day. They can still have the Rose Parade.
It adds 5 games (which is a lot) for two teams. Take away the conference championships and that's 17 games, but it's only two more games than the maximum today.
But for 16 teams it doesn't add a game at all and if you kill the conference championships it doesn't add a game for an additional 8 teams.
FCS already plays a 24 team playoff but they only play 11 regular season games and no confernce championships.
32 works better with no conference championship games but can work with it.
http://s2.postimg.org/g619sbc61/bracket.png
This game has been available to bet all year as a "game of the year". Don't get too excited that's just how they bill it but there are at least a dozen "game of the year" listings for every week.
This line has bounced around and has been as high as OSU -14 (early in the year) and OSU -1 (early October before Michigan lost to MSU).
Last week it was OSU -6.5. I expect it will be OSU -4.5 when it opens around 4pm today.
Last five times Michigan was favored over OSU
2011 Michigan -8.5 (SU WIN and ATS Win)
2004 Michigan -4 (SU/ATS LOSS)
2003 Michigan -7 (SU/ATS WIN)
2001 Michigan -8 (SU/ATS LOSS)
1999 Michigan -11.5 (SU WIN / ATS LOSS)
Michigan 20
Penn State 24
Michigan 20
Michigan has played Florida exactly twice in bowl games.
2003 Outback
2008 Citrus
So I'll be generous and say that he gets the next two in AA and loses the next two in EL before he goes back to the NFL.
Again I'll be generous and say your next coach comes in and goes 2-4 against MSU leaving a 10 year record of 4-6.
Spartans 34
Wolverines 20
Ohio State won the national title and Michigan State finished 5th and the conference wasn't very good?
Maybe the rest of the conference sucked but you can't say the league wasn't good. Go with "top heavy" instead.
Utah 29 Michigan 17
American Liver Foundation
7-5
Losses to Utah, BYU, Maryland, Michigan State, and Penn State
Michigan as a big dog:
0-6 SU and 2-4 ATS
2014
+21.5 at Ohio State SU Loss / ATS Win
+17 at Michigan State SU Loss / ATS Loss
2013
+17 vs. Ohio State SU Loss / ATS Win
2010
+16.5 at Ohio State SU Loss / ATS Loss
2008
+20.5 at Ohio State SU Loss / ATS Loss
+24.5 at Penn State SU Loss / ATS Loss
Tim Brando is their lead college football play by play. Analysts are either Brady Quinn, Joel Klatt or Joey Harrington.
Been to the following:
Spartan Stadium, Ohio Stadium, Michigan Stadium, Kelly-Shorts Stadium, Dyche Stadium (Ryan Field), Mountaineer Field, Kinnick, Metrodome, Erickson Stadium (WVU vs ECU and Tire Bowl), Lane, Byrd, Carter-Finley, Gator Bowl, Heinz Field, Cardinal Stadium, Alumni Stadium, Wallace Wade, Memorial Stadium (Indiana), Carrier Dome
Big Ten mini review in order:
I was accepted to Michigan, Michigan State, Miami (YTM), Missouri, and West Virginia (parents are alums).
Went to MSU as a J school major - switched over to Telecom end of sophomore year. Even in the 80s you could see print was going to die.
Vegas is pretty darn good at forecasting.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/talking-points/2014/jan/07/florida-state-atop-vegas-odds-win-2015-college-foo/
From last year right after the title game:
Florida State — 5-to-2
Oregon — 5-to-1
Alabama — 5-to-1
Oklahoma — 12-to-1
Ohio State — 12-to-1
Auburn — 20-to-1
LSU — 20-to-1
UCLA — 20-to-1
Baylor — 20-to-1
Michigan State — 25-to-1
Wisconsin — 25-to-1
That's the top 11 and everybody that was 25-1 or less.
Results:
Florida State – playoff team final rank tied for 5th
Oregon — final team final rank 2nd
Alabama — playoff team final rank 4th
Oklahoma — Crapped the bed – final rank 35
Ohio State — National Champion
Auburn — Crapped the bed – final rank 22
LSU — Crapped the bed – final rank 31
UCLA — final rank 10th
Baylor — final rank tied for 7th
Michigan State — final rank tied for 5th
Wisconsin — final rank 13th
They got 7 of the final top ten right but missed badly on TCU, Georgia Tech and Georgia.
BTW here are the odds at
10-1
BTW here are the odds at the site I use:
Highlights:
Ohio State +450
TCU +700
Alabama +800
Michigan State +2000
Oregon +2000
Notre Dame +3000
Wisconsin +6000
Michigan +10000
Nebraska +10000
Penn State +10000
Minnesota +30000
Iowa +30000
https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/ncaa-football-betting/2016-college-football-championship.sbk
This showed up last week at the site I use
at Utah - LOSS
Oregon State - WIN
UNLV - WIN
Oregon State - WIN
BYU - Toss up but will give Michigan the WIN
at Maryland - Toss up but will give Michigan the WIN
Northwestern - WIN
MSU - LOSS
at Minnesota - LOSS
Rutgers - WIN
at Indiana - WIN
at Penn State - LOSS
OSU - Give Harbaugh the feel good WIN.
8-4
1. (8.5) Regular
Football
1. (8.5) Regular Season Wins for Michigan Football - UNDER
2. (1,000) Yards Rushing or Receiving by any player - UNDER
3. (1.5) wins in rivalry games (@ND, @MSU, @OSU) - UNDER
Basketball
1. Nik Stauskas' draft spot compared to Gary Harris - OVER? Better anyway
2. Glenn Robinson III's draft spot compared to Adreian Payne - UNDER? Worse anyway
3. (8.5-seed) in 2015 NCAA Tournament - Probably not making the tournament.
The place I used - sportsbook.ag has 3 other UM games posted.
PSU +1 @ UM
UM +18.5 @ MSU
UM +18.5 @ OSU