OT: Son was just pre-admitted into the Ross BBA program. Insights?
The business college seems to have come a long way since wife and I were in school. Anyone with current insights? He's also holding a couple of acceptance letters from colleges in the top 20 – not Harvard or Princeton – with a pair of decisions still pending. We're in-state.
Making good money and working in a major city are the extent of his current career goals. We haven't toured Ross since the big expansion – was any of that applicable to BBAs? I don't know much about finance careers or how Ross kids measure up to top 20 private university kids. Thoughts, pros, cons, advice, etc. appreciated. Thank you.
... Your kid is pretty smart. Congrats.
Tell him to go into STEM where his mind will be put to better use. He can make money there too and can snort cocaine off hookers tits and what not. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Mad Hatter?
Fuck Lion?
Underrated.
I have plenty of friends who work on Wall St and buy side that graduated from Ross. One thing I can say for sure is that they all came to a point in life where they wondered wtf they were doing and whether being someone's monkey was worth it to them. This led to them either going to buy side or going back to schools for an MBA in order to switch industries into consulting etc. The ones that stuck around and went into PE are either miserable or somehow truly enjoy what they do making pivot tables all day.
If you want the boujie (yuppy for you older folks) lifestyle right out of college, I would recommend kids to go into IOE in the Michigan Engineering school. You get many overlaps with Ross and have something to offer in the form of an Engineering degree (along with funny IOEasy comments from other Engineers lol).
Engineering lets you go anywhere you want while making just as much money if not more out of college due to the skills you accumulate that b-school does not give you. On top of that, Michigan lets you get a Masters in Engineering if your GPA is high enough by the end of 1st semester Sr year I believe. That is a great plus.
The only detracter is that you won't be doing blow and partying nearly as much in undergrad like your Ross and LSA counterparts haha.
Good advice, the engineering degree, that is. With a BS in most engineering disciplines, you can go into just about anything and have good understanding of numbers along with good problem solving skills. My kids are both Michigan engineers with grad engineering degrees and they both went to med school. I went the legal route after a Chem eng. background.
Many of the successful people I have met along the way started out with technical degrees.
The only downside I found with engineering (and some other STEM subject areas) is that it is a lot of work.
March 30th, 2018 at 12:11 PM ^
Tits?
Congrats, first of all.
Now, I'm just an MBA student at the University of Pittsburgh so take this with a grain of salt. But, do a lot of research into the potential programs. Namely, career assistance programs associated with them, what kind of money they are willing to offer, what their alumni network looks like (knowing people is very important), and look into doing some sort of incremental analysis between the programs. Everything has a value and trade off for choosing one place over another.
Oh, one last thing, private schools are overrated.
If you're footing the bill...prepare your anus. Great pedigree degree!
Is this for real? "Money hungry and working in a major city are his current career goals."
Insights? Really?
Sorry, I edited that out. It was tongue in cheek as he hasn't given much thought to career goals. But at this point he would like to live in a major city and make good money after college. Not sure that's much help – I assume that's pretty generic for teens his age.
I graduated from Ross in the 80's and my goal was to make a lot of money. Nothing wrong with that. I would say my goals changed over time but making a good living is never a bad goal. My daughter choose engineering because she wanted to make a good living.
My father grew up post depression and choose to be a Pharmacist because he felt it was something that was very employable.
My son has chosen a more altruistic carreer and I am cool with that as well but his path to supporting himself will be more difficult.
No one should have to apologize for wanting to make a lot of money as long as they are not screwing over somebody or something - the environment for example.
A lot of my buddies at U of M were Ross guys and they're good dudes. But I can't say that I don't look at the guys who went to work for Goldman, etc. a little shifty-eyed.
But I have to disagree a bit - you shouldn't have to apologize for wanting to make money but there should be something more you want to accomplish. The mad pursuit of money has created a ton of problems in this country lately. I would tell that kid that yes making money is an admirable goal, but make sure you produce something else of value in your career/life. Making money for corporations in exchange for a healthy cut for yourself is OK but isn't a goal in itself. Also a reminder: lots of corporations are evil AF.
I work for one of those evil empire type companies - that is big on diversity as long as diversity does not include anyone over 40. I think as you get older with a family - at least for me - goals change. Not so much about money.
But I also worry about simply "following your dream" with no idea how to support yourself doing so.
Screwing over somebody tends to be the fastest, and easiest way to make a lot of money however.
This has to be a humble brag, right? You are in state and pre-admitted to Ross? Go to Michigan, save the tuition and your kid will be just fine in NY/Chicago.
Not bragging in the slightest. I really don't know anything about Ross or the finance-consulting-tech landscape in coastal major cities.
Are you saying it's really uncommon for in-state students to get pre-admitted into Ross?
Every econ, org studies, and pub pol major at Michigan got rejected from Ross. Being a pre-admit is difficult. Paying extra tuition when your son is a pre-admit is very dumb in my opinion.
Lol not really true on the public policy but ok. If the family has the means the guy should do what makes his kid happy. If the worry is that Ross isn't respected enough to get a good job out of college in a major city there is nothing for them to worry about but there are plenty of other reasons to prefer a different school to Michigan.
I know plenty of kids who applied out of high school, were rejected, but gained admiitance as sophomores.
Looks like my son's 2015 HS graduating class was the last under the old regime.
It makes sense as a lot of kids who weren't pre-admitted did what we did. Had they made the change a year earlier I'd have an $200K in my bank account -- ouch!
No, 2016 HS graduates were the last ones. 2017 grads were the 1st year of the new admissions policy.
Lol so you're one of those Ross kids. This might be impossible for you to believe, but there were some of us who actually chose Econ or Pub Pol without applying to/considering Ross... but sure, we're Ross rejects
Whatever helps you sleep at night, bud.
If you wanted a banking job why wouldn't you at least apply to Ross (especially if it helped get you the job you wanted as you mentioned below regarding your friends)?
The "I chose econ over Ross" is the same as "I chose MSU over Michigan". I am sure it happens, but spare me the bullshit.
Came into U-M thinking I wanted to go to law school. Decided on finance as my intended career path sophomore year. Applied to Ross and got in as a sophomore but didn't want to spend both money and time on doing a fifth year.
Fair enough. Not quite completely dismissing the idea of applying/going to Ross as I initially read your previous comment.
weird to think that nobody would want to deal with fuckbois like you......
Keep holding that grudge 20 years later. Are you Mork?
I went to Ross but it's classic that you think everyone that disagrees wtih you is just 'jealous' or 'holding a grudge'. People like you are why the negative Ross stereotype exists
Whatever helps you sleep at night, bro. I make 17 figures and crush every night. Not even stretching those figures, bro.
Sincerely,
814 East U
It's just the poster above who is a douche. Has nothing to do with the school.
You're 100% right - The school is fantastic, but it does turn out a fairly high number of people like 814
March 30th, 2018 at 10:00 AM ^
what frat were you in brah?
"Having really smart kids is the WORST! So much stress! If my kids were stupid they could just get a Walmart greeters job and my worries would be over..."
Ross kids were/are the worst.
I'm a 2015 Ross BBA grad. Everything is as advertised, top notch. The facilities, the professors, the career resources, the network, etc. Scott DeRue has really done a great job in the past few years elevating the profile of Ross even further. I had no problem getting a well paid NYC job immediately post-grad from my junior year internship that I recruited into on campus, and we're very well represented out here. The Michigan and Ross network in NYC and Chicago are just as strong as any top private.
You'll have to decide for yourself if the culture is the right fit, but don't just accept the stereotypes you hear online. There are widely varying personalities in the BBA program and many international students as well.
As for the recent expansion, it finished up after I graduated but BBA students definitely have full access to the entire school (as do all Michigan students!). I've been back and looked around since it's been done - quite jealous of all the additional space students now have compared to even a few years ago.
Good luck to him and congrats!
and it was a good thing back then. electricity has changed everything though....
Accounting hadn't been invented when you were there!
