OT (Kinda): Hate for the enthusiastic unathletic looking white guy

Submitted by UMxWolverines on
I was just thinking about the whole Hitler thing with Wagner yesterday, and then I thought about how much the Sparties despised Novak similarly. Then I thought about much we all hated guys like Aaron Craft and John Diebler, and how the country has hated guys like Grayson Allen, Greg Paulus, JJ Reddick, and Christian Laettner. ESPN even did a segment where they showed some of the over the top stuff student sections were chanting at him or signs/shirts they made. https://youtu.be/ai4-auZ18MQ I'm just curious, where does everyone think this hate comes from? Is it because it's unusual to see white guys celebrate like they do? Is it because they're just average looking dudes that end up killing your team?

panthera leo fututio

March 4th, 2018 at 4:43 PM ^

Ron Baker is a great example to bring up. He points to a more general hypothesis: (white) fans tend to identify more with and pay attention more to white players. It seems to me to be the case that white players are disproportionately likely both to be seen as villains and as cult heroes -- Hurley, Laettner, et al. as the former; Ron Baker, Scalabrine, Paul Shirley (before he revealed himself to be hack writer/earthquake proponent) as the latter

Clarence Boddicker

March 4th, 2018 at 10:21 AM ^

Larry Bird was pretty much worshipped by America's sporting press. Even announcers for opposing teams slobbered his nutz. What Thomas said was that if Bird were white he'd be regarded as just another player. The comment was bullshit--and Thomas was universally slammed for it. I do agree the Bird hype was pretty over the top at the time though not with that comment.

Mike Damone

March 4th, 2018 at 9:57 AM ^

deserves his own list, mGrowOld.  Guy could only jump two inches off the floor.  But he was tough as nails under the boards and on D, and did that pick and pop for 3 like a machine.  Made you pay big time when you drove the lane - his fouls were legit.  Huge overachiever.  Heart of the Bad Boys, in my opinion.

Sam1863

March 4th, 2018 at 11:23 AM ^

I have to admit, I would have hated Laimbeer's guts if he'd played for anybody else. (And that's without him going to Notre Dame.) Had I been a neutral observer, I would have thought he was a real prick.

But he was our prick, so that made it OK.

I met him in 2006, when he was coaching the Shock. He was a perfectly nice, pleasant guy - and his wife was gorgeous and charming. So I guess being a designated villain pays off.

Gulogulo37

March 4th, 2018 at 9:29 AM ^

Well, I don't think they were all hated for the same reasons. As much as people hated Craft, I can't recall anyone saying anything bad about him personally. People hated him because announcers fawned over him nonstop. Grayson Allen has played dirty and has looked like a whiny kid.

Ali G Bomaye

March 4th, 2018 at 10:54 AM ^

I think that's a big reason for a lot of these. guys who look clean cut and stay in college for 4 years get a ton of love from announcers, especially if they play for Duke, and there's a justifiable backlash against that. Guys like Laettner and Redick fit in this bucket. and it's not a racial thing - Battier was the same way.

xtramelanin

March 4th, 2018 at 9:31 AM ^

trips, hits, and i can only imagine the trash talk.  has absolutely zero to do with how much melanin is in his skin.  i have no doubt he will have some serious troubles in his adult life, whether its in or out of the NBA.

as for bird, he was one of the two or three best basketball players ever. what he lacked in flat out athletic talent like jordan had, he made up for it with his court intelligence and unflappable heart.  

Roy G. Biv

March 4th, 2018 at 10:20 AM ^

And all-around skill. A guy I worked with as a kid had a son who was in a Celtic training camp . . . said Bird was the best he ever played with. Every detail, Bird was a master. I hated him as a Piston fan in the 80s, but now miss him. His type of game . . . skill, smarts, iron will, huge cajones, seems to lack in today's game. Would a guy like him with only adequate athleticism get a sniff in today's NBA? And not just white guys . . . take Adrian Dantley and Mark Aguirre, neither a thoroughbred but both had hugely successful and long careers. Different game.

Clarence Boddicker

March 4th, 2018 at 11:46 AM ^

Ugh, people always say this but it simply isn't true--basketball teams have always played defense and valued defense and players who were good at it. I was around and watching games then. I made these criticisms of Larry Bird in the 80s. Then as now, people didn't play d in all-star games, but other than that, you got guarded, shoved, and knocked down if you fucked around in the paint against a vet. The difference is in the caliber of the athletes. Guys then just couldn't move like players today. The athleticism today is off the charts.

snarling wolverine

March 4th, 2018 at 12:00 PM ^

Sorry, but it's true.  Games were much higher-scoring back then, even though few people took 3-pointers.  Playoff games routinely would go into the 120s.  

Defense was a lower priority than offense in most peoples' minds back then.  You watch clips from the '80s and guys get open much more easily than today.  They didn't have to use the off-arm and all the other little tricks to get separation.  There would be the odd defensive specialist here and there but most guys had awful technique.  

The Bad Boy Pistons really brought about a paradigm shift.  It's not that NBA players suddenly became way more athletic in the span of a few years.  Chuck Daly's Pistons basically Moneyballed the rest of the league, putting a lot more emphasis on that end of the court (and using physicality to throw teams off their game, too).

 

Clarence Boddicker

March 4th, 2018 at 1:21 PM ^

Defense wasn't as effective because the athletes weren't as good as they are today--that's why games were higher scoring. Also, the Pistons were known as the 'Bad Boys' because took a lot of cheap shots at people and played dirty. And yes, they were a great defensive team--but just because this is true doesn't mean that other teams prior to them hadn't played, practiced, worked on defense. They were just exceptionally good and unusally dedicated to d, to the point of starting a rebounding specialist who couldn't score at all--that was new. But prior to them, teams did...play...defense. Hell, I remember one of the complaints about basketball in the 90s was that college teams were focusing more on recruiting athletes than players with scoring skills and that was degrading the level of offense in the NBA. And yeah, at the time, I marveled at the way guys like Jordan, Drexler, Olajuwon, and Ewing (before the bad knees) heralded a new wave of big athletes who moved like small athletes, rather than the mechanical man ways of dudes like Russell, McHale, Parrish, Laimbeer.

Clarence Boddicker

March 4th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^

Is the best shooter on the team always the best player? Not at all. Magic played the most important position on the floor--point gurd. He played point guard at 6'9". He could also slide to forward and easily dominate there--he ended his career as a power foward. In one championship, after Kareem went down, he flipped to center and kicked ass. Magic was the best of his era. Again, too bad he was a Spartan.

lbpeley

March 4th, 2018 at 9:37 AM ^

during yesterday's game I was starting to hate McQuaid like no one else on earth. Even before he floor slapped.