Carlos Hyde suspended first 3 games of season.

Submitted by The Baughz on
Yes I know there is already a Carlos Hyde thread, but I figured I post this anyways.

The game at Cal just got a little more interesting. Im surprised Urbz went with 3 games. I was expecting 0-1 since the charges were dropped.

Link=all over twitter

go16blue

July 30th, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^

Seriously dude? This is an example of a player not even commiting a crime and still being suspended for a significant part of the season, because he slapped someone who tried to hit him first. If Hoke had done this we would all be applauding him.

DetroitBlue

July 30th, 2013 at 10:19 PM ^

I'm not being that guy. If one of our players took a swing at a girl, whether she swung first or not, whether he was charged or not, I'd expect and want Hoke to impose a similar, if not harsher punishment.



If you're cool with a guy, let alone a football player, taking a swing at a woman, then there's really no need for further discussion since we'll never agree

YoungGeezy

July 30th, 2013 at 10:52 PM ^

http://www.nbc4i.com/story/22929377/surveillance-video-shows-encounter-…

"NBC4 reporter Mindy Drayer has watched surveillance video from inside the Sugar Bar 2, where the alleged assault occurred early Saturday morning.
 
"According to the Drayer, the video shows Hyde and a group of friends walking into the downtown Columbus bar, and then engage in a conversation with the 19-year-old woman who filed the assault report.
 
"The video then shows Hyde pointing at the woman's face, saying something to her, and turning away from the situation. At that point, the video shows the woman batting or swatting at Hyde, but it was unclear if she made physical contact with Hyde.
 
"Drayer reports that Hyde turned back in response, and that he stepped toward her and appeared to slap the woman in the face.
 
"After the contact, the video shows the woman grabbing her face and turning to her friends, Drayer said. The video then shows Hyde leaving the area..."

jblaze

July 30th, 2013 at 11:42 PM ^

he took a swing at a "girl". Look at the video!

BTW, why does gender matter, if you are in such a punnishing mood? Would it be cool if Hyde "took a swing at a guy"? Does that deserve a lesser suspension? If so, why? 

Also, she's not a "girl", she's a woman. Get it right 1960's chauvinist. 

DetroitBlue

July 30th, 2013 at 11:54 PM ^

I've been called a lot of things, but a '1960s chauvinist' is not one of them. I'm also not in a 'punnishing' mood, or even in a punishing one. That being said, if you think there's no difference between trying to hit a man and trying to hit a woman, you're too stupid to argue with on the Internet.

gbdub

July 31st, 2013 at 12:10 PM ^

He's bringing "chauvinism" into the conversation because if you look at this whole thread, look how many times its mentioned that he hit a WOMAN.

The attitude that a man can never ever ever hit a woman even if she hits first is tied up in a lot of sexist assumptions: women can't control themselves and can't be responsible for starting a fight, women can never physically harm a man, only men are capable of violence. It's "respect" for women, but respect based on the assumption that they are the weaker sex. 

The reality is that this would be a non-incident if two women or two men were involved. (Though I do think a short suspension for getting into a fight would be appropriate if Hyde had done the same thing to another man - he's a representative of his University and should be held to a high standard) Each party hit once (Hyde didn't swing first) and walked away with no apparent serious injuries. So I think I discussion of our gender-based assumptions is warranted here.

 

rockediny

July 30th, 2013 at 10:20 PM ^

I'll probably get negged for this but I don't think I'd agree with kicking him off the team for hitting a woman who struck him first (I know, he should have walked away but people make misakes). I think suspension is enough for an attack such as this: he was provoked, he didn't keep hitting her, and it wasn't planned. No need to practically ruin someone's career (they don't always transfer and become stars) over a heat of the moment offense like this, just makes sure he learns that he should never strike a woman. 

gwkrlghl

July 30th, 2013 at 11:06 PM ^

Certainly neither of us are condoning hitting women, but there's a difference between beating the hell out of a woman (Chris Brown) and losing your cool for a split second (Hyde). Hyde lost his cool and walked away, I think a suspension is good enough here

rockediny

July 31st, 2013 at 12:31 AM ^

Unfortunately, some people aren't raised the way we were raised, and DO have to be taught that (not Hyde specifically, I don't know him or his parents). I wasn't arguing for whether or not he should be punished, I actually mentioned that he should be suspended. I was just responding to someone who was suggesting that he be kicked off the team and voicing my opinion that it is too harsh a punishment. Sorry I was blunt with my wording and I hate violence against women (any violence really) but that's just my opinion. You are free to have your own.

Pdeaner

July 31st, 2013 at 12:12 AM ^

Those guys were watching and pointing at the girls but didnot have the balls to talk to them.  So they had their boy who they think can't hear no because his status on the team go up for them.  Sure he said something really appropriate to her for her to act that way.  So I wouldn't say she started it.  They weren't messing with the group of guys, the guys were hounding them.

 

xxxxNateDaGreat

July 31st, 2013 at 12:32 AM ^

He was a person of interest because witnesses said he punched the victim. We have an "anonymous source close to the investigation" who says Hyde got punched (self edit 1: I should say "hit") and did not punch the victim, and another source, a reporter, who went on the record saying she saw the video and Hyde clearly punched (self edit 2: Again, I should really say "hit") the victim.

Just because the victim decided not to press charges doesn't mean he didn't hit her. He should still be punished for even being around this scenario and it sounds like he is.

And the only significant part of Ohio's schedule is The Game. The rest would be a cakewalk even if they weren't title contenders.

M-Dog

July 31st, 2013 at 9:13 AM ^

This is an example of a player not even commiting a crime 

If you watched the video, he clocked her good.  She was staggered and then her girlfriend came over to comfort her and check out her injury.  She was obviously distraught.  This was more than just a shove-off.

She got coerced hard into not pressing charges . . . by the ever OSU-compliant Columbus police.  A lot of domestic violence does not get reported as a crime, but that does not mean a crime was not comitted.  

gbdub

July 31st, 2013 at 12:02 PM ^

But he didn't initiate the violence (she swung first), so it's probably not a crime (or both parties committed a crime).

Do you really want a justice system where women can commit physical violence on a man and if he hits back, he (and only he) goes to jail? Yeah, that's really going to be good for domestic violence.

Women are people too. That means they can be guilty. They can be violent and they can be abusers. If you don't think so, you may think you're "respecting" women, but you're actually being really condescending.

In this particular incident, Hyde had the opportunity to leave after her swing, and we don't know what he said that provoked her to swing at him (probably nothing good). So morally I think he's culpable, but legally I don't think he should be. In that light, a short suspension seems entirely appropriate.

Wolvie3758

July 31st, 2013 at 10:49 AM ^

bad behavior is bad behavior ...the ONLY reason it wasnt a crime was the victim didnt want to press charges...something that happens ALOT in college towns...Im sure she received ALOT of pressure from locals to NOT press charges to PROTECT their precious buckeyes....

M-Dog

July 31st, 2013 at 9:18 AM ^

Love this picture.  It's breath-takingly awesome in it's devestating power.  It is to be saved for the nuclear threshold.  It's always the instant end to any Michigan-Ohio State argument.

 

FGB

July 30th, 2013 at 9:58 PM ^

That's a pretty reasonable penalty in today's moral equations.  Johnny Manziel was in the middle of an actual bar brawl and got zero games suspension.  We could list various Michigan indiscretions over the years that garnered similar or lighter penalties compared to the offense.

People can talk about treatment of women and Carlos Hyde being generally a dirtbag and I don't discount it, but if you're gonna get on that soapbox that he should be suspended for half the year or a year for hitting a woman, then every player who ever drove drunk should also face a similar suspension, for something that's just as despicable and more dangerous.

You're kidding yourself if you ever actually expected more of a penalty, and I think most would have expected less.

Rage

July 30th, 2013 at 10:27 PM ^

"then every player who ever drove drunk should also face a similar suspension, for something that's just as despicable and more dangerous."

 

When you say "ever drove drunk" do you mean over the legal limt of perhaps drinking 2.5 beers in one hour and driving down the street to a friends is as dispicable as intentionally and publicly slapping a woman across the face?  

Or do you mean "stinking drunk" and then driving?  Or both equally?

FGB

July 30th, 2013 at 11:14 PM ^

I see where you're going with this and trying to justify that it's ok if someone "just drove to a friend's place" after having 2.5 beers in an hour, so I'll just say the act by everyone who ever drove drunk enough that their driving skills were significantly impaired is as despicable (IMO) as intentionally and publicly slapping a woman, and there is no argument whatsoever that it's not significantly more dangerous.  The despicableness is subjective based on societal norms and we could disagree, but the dangerousness is objective fact.

Despite the fact our society is more non-chalant about drunk driving (simply due to the frequency), drunk driving kills a fuckload of people, and slapping women, while despicable and evidence of terrible moral character, does not.  

BlockM

July 30th, 2013 at 9:52 PM ^

Credit where it's due. Kid wasn't charged with anything after the video got out, and I wouldn't have expected him to get suspended at all. 

BlockM

July 30th, 2013 at 10:33 PM ^

That's the thing, we don't know what his actions were besides a bit of grainy surveillance footage with no context. Once he wasn't charged, Meyer could have done what a lot of coaches would do and reinstated him immediately. Instead, he suspended him for three games, which seems like a reasonable punishment. I'm not saying Hyde is a saint, I'm saying Meyer handled it well. 

TheGhostofChappuis

July 30th, 2013 at 10:47 PM ^

Hyde swings his arm at her face.  Afterwards, she holds her face.  Then she says she was hit in the face.  Her friends said she was hit in the face.  The girl to the right of her immediately puts both hands over her mouth, as if to say "holy shit, that girl just got hit in the face."

I think she was hit in the face.

And Meyer could have done whatever he wanted regardless of whether Hyde was charged or not. There is zero connection between the legal result and his punishment as part of a football team.

BlockM

July 30th, 2013 at 11:18 PM ^

I'm not disagreeing with you on Hyde. I'm not here to judge whether he's a good person or a bad person, should or shouldn't be going to jail, or anything like that. All I'm saying that Meyer had a "legitimate" out as far as reinstating Hyde immediately, one that many coaches have used, and is instead taking steps to discipline him. 

Farnn

July 30th, 2013 at 9:56 PM ^

In order to keep the OSU threads to a minimum, interesting news regarding interacting with recruits.  Demetrius Knox was interacting with members of the 11 warriors board and it's a secondary violation for OSU.

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2013/07/24155/important-notice-regarding-…

More support of this sites constant reminder: DON'T TWEET RECRUITS

I figured it was a violation anyway when I saw that he posted there, but knew it wouldn't be anything major.  Amazing how so many there are so surprised by the fact that it's a violation, just like they don't see how selling gold pants for cash is a competitive advantage.