Blatant Pile-Drive Hits on Michigan QBs Going Uncalled This Season

Submitted by uofmfan_13 on
I'm going to go and try find screens of the three in question, or maybe someone on the board can assist later. In a nutshell: there have been some excessively violent, unnecessary late hits on our QBs this year -- AND ALL OF THEM HAVE GONE UN-PENALIZED. This is about basic player safety for our young men in blue as well as basic fairness and consistency on the field of play!!!! Why the hell is this so hard for refs to call? #1 vs Perdue, Wilton Speight gets a cracked vertebrae when he's clearly falling to the ground and a defender decides to come over the top and just pancake his neck/head. This one, QB still has ball but replay just looked unnecessary. Wilton was clearly getting sacked already. What was there to "finish off"? #2 vs MSU, John gets absolutely pile drived into the turf violently after THROWING AWAY THE BALL and in front of refs in monsoon third quarter. TV announcers, from 100 ft up, say it should've been 15 hard penalty!! Would be at crucial part of game, too. #3 vs Wisconsin, Brandon Peters gets like drive into field after throwing ball. AGAIN no flag. The hit itself was fine, fundamentally. It is PILE DRIVING our QB's head and shoulders into the turf that is clearly unnecessary! What in the hell are B10 and commish Robert Mugabe aka Jim Delany doing about player safety???
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uofmfan_13

November 19th, 2017 at 12:09 PM ^

And ensure BP's head and neck met turf at worst angle possible. Look, I get a QB is going to get hit after throwing ball. Not suggesting it was late hit as it was bang-bang... But "finishing" a tackle to a defenseless QB by pile driving the head and neck into turf needs to be called. It has on us (Hurst) this year.

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Magnus

November 19th, 2017 at 12:18 PM ^

Agreed. The hit on Peters was fine, according to the current rules of football. People are going to get hurt in football. There's no way around it.

If Peters hadn't been hurt, I don't think so many people would be claiming this was a dirty hit. As Michigan fans, our eyes probably would have been on the OL for completely whiffing on the stunt.

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titanfan11

November 19th, 2017 at 12:30 PM ^

I don't know if i wasn't watching close enough, or if I was focused on the wrong thing, but I thought it was an Aaaron Rodgers'-type collarbone injury at first, the way Peters had his left arm out to brace and they landed on it.  So I was surprised Van Ginkel was calling people out, then you hear they were checking him for a head injury (and reports that Peters was out cold on the field) and it makes sense.  

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ST3

November 19th, 2017 at 2:17 PM ^

I get it. You are trying to be funny. But Cole and Kugler are engaged with guys. Van Hinkle loops around, trapping Bredeson between Cole and Kugler with no one to block. How do you counter such ingenuity? A) Run the ball down their stunting throats. B) Get the ball out quicker. To expect them to identify the stunt and have Kugler pass off his man to Bredeson to pick up a DE stunting from three gaps over is asking a lot. That's why a lot of teams, including our own, stunt.

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HollywoodHokeHogan

November 19th, 2017 at 5:02 PM ^

And yet few teams are as terrible as ours at picking up stunts. FWIW, the ball got out pretty damn quick. Are you gonna blame the RB like you did in the recap thread too? Because it was an empty backfield and Evans was the one Peters was throwing to. We’ve had three different qbs and every one of them has been repeatedly destroyed when dropping back. In that time the oline has been pretty damn consistent with one injury induced switch (the other switch was suck induced). So either every one of those quarterbacks is bad in the exact same way, or the one constant sucks. I can’t believe that at this point in the season people are trying to push blame off the o line. I was defending them early on in the year because it looked like the ball wasn’t coming out quick enough. But Peters doesn’t hold the ball that long and he has still been creamed multiple times— remember when he got smashed against Minnesota? It’s the OL. It’s a danger to the qb.

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ST3

November 19th, 2017 at 10:31 PM ^

I didn't blame the RB. I blamed Bredeson, Ruiz, and the QB for not recognizing the blitz. I wrote X+1 rushers can't be blocked by X guys. The offensive line has not been constant. Have you already forgot Ulizio and Onwenu? The one constant is the QB coach. I am not prepared to get rid of him. Ruiz was not standing around blocking no one. He and JBB were doubling the DE. If you expect him to have eyes in his ear hole, maybe he can see that stunt from the other side of the formation.

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HollywoodHokeHogan

November 19th, 2017 at 11:49 PM ^

So you are not the ST3 who posted, “I agree,” in response to Reader71’s claim that both Speight and Peters were hurt by players who were then responsibility of the running back? That’s not you here: http://mgoblog.com/content/wisconsin-24-michigan-10?page=2. This is so bizarre I don’t know what else to say. I said in my post that the line has had only one switch due to injury (that’s Onwenu) and another due to suck (should’ve been nicer because I don’t blame the players, but that would be Ulizio). I blame Drevno for having a an OL that cant keep qbs healthy. I can excuse some stuff as bad luck, like the Onwenu injury. But I don’t think that Ulizio playing when it was clearly worse than JBB helps Drevno’s case at all. He’s had a pretty damn healthy O line and it’s been awful. Qb coach has had to manage three different guys because that OL lets the qb get murdered, both with and without Onwenu. The one relevant constant is a Drevno OL, with few injury problems, that still borks protections horribly and regularly 11 games into the season. And what the hell did you think I said about Ruiz? Did you read my post at all?

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ST3

November 20th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^

I agreed with his comment (and he has way more credibility than you or me) and then added that the QBs need to understand the protection scheme. If I am guilty of anything it is defending JBB, not Drevno. Folks complain about the RT as if that is the only problem. It's not.

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HollywoodHokeHogan

November 20th, 2017 at 4:57 PM ^

LOL, you're so full of shit.  How credible does he have to be to convince you that it was the RBs responsibility to pick up a blitzer when the RB is lined up outside as a receiver?  To Reader71s  credit, he just said he messed up, and honestly that's not a big deal.  I still think the OL is the primary problem, and so does Brian, speaking of credibility.  But now you're trying to say that he is a right or that the fact that you agreed with him doesn't show that you actually agree with what he wrote.   This is just comical.

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BroadneckBlue21

November 19th, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^

Ball is out, yet he drives shoulder into continuously, and you can see how he keeps his feet driving. He took Peters a few fucking yards across the floor. It was a hit that is unnecessary roughness, as he drives BP after his release and accelerated into him from around the lineman. The whole “football is a violent sport” rationalization is tiresome. More tiresome is the follow up that criticism means we are being soft and just trying to justify why we lost. No. It was a shitty, illegal hit, and I’d be one angry father if this were my son. Intent does not matter over the outcome of the play. Danny Trevathan got a multiple game suspension for an on the moment hit on Davante Adams. DT is not a cheater, but he got rightfully punished. Penalties serve to correct over eager hits. They also missed an earlier hit thst went into the chin strap and forced forced JOK in at goal line. Again, intent does not matter as much as outcome.

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Chaz_Smash

November 19th, 2017 at 7:06 PM ^

First time I saw the hit, didn't think it was a big deal. But the view on this tweet, seeing the defender driving his legs so he could push Peters' head further into the ground is a disgrace. Absolute dick move. Jumping up and waving for the trainer doesn't make him a good guy.

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Crazy Canuck

November 19th, 2017 at 1:22 PM ^

I just rewatched the hit and it was fine. It was actually less violent than I remembered. Did he rub Peters a little after they hit the ground, sure. Did that have any affect on the injury, I would say no. I played football until I was 18 and rugby in my 20's & 30's and I have definitely hit people harder than that and I never received a flag. 

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Ghost of Fritz…

November 19th, 2017 at 2:50 PM ^

often call unecessary roughness when the ball is already clearly out and the tackler does not ease up. 

Wisconsin guy not only fails to ease up (again, ball was clearly out before contact), but uses his torso to drive Peters into the ground head and shoulder first, rather than just bringing him down hip first, then drives Peters along the turf for a couple of yards.  

So (1) initial contact after ball is clearly out, (2) rather than ease up on the hit tackler maximized its violence, and then (3) drove Peters a couple of yards even after hitting the turf.

Boarderline late hits (ball clearly out before contact) on QBs where the tackler uses full force to drive the QB into the ground are frequenly flagged. 

Maybe 20 years ago that would not get called.  In recent years a flag on that kind of play is pretty common. 

You can like it or not.  But a flag on the play would have been completely within the norm for what gets flagged these days.

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gruden

November 19th, 2017 at 8:49 PM ^

OK, let's say they called a PF, would it have changed anything?  It moves the ball 15 yards then O'Korn comes in and...?

In the end all it means is M punts a little further downfield.  Since it wasn't targeting or a second flagrant foul on the guy the LB doesn't get ejected.  The outcome doesn't change.  In the end M has lost their 2 best QBs and flagging the play doesn't change that.

I have to admit, I'm ready for some bagmen to step in and procure us some stud OL.  It isn't going to get better until we have a serious improvement on the line.  We've got to get some guys who can pass block.

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GordonG

November 19th, 2017 at 3:35 PM ^

yep..thats the point.  Nobody is saying the inital hit is illegal, 

its the bloody after impact portion where the idiot Badger player

goes overboard driving Peters into the turf, totally unwarranted...

At a min. a flag should be thrown and the player should have been ejected.

Heck last time we played these morons Newsome almost lost his leg on another 

cheapshot... 

really starting to dislike/ hate Wisconsin.  I want to throat punch these creeeps.

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Ghost of Fritz…

November 19th, 2017 at 5:02 PM ^

do think that the initial hit is the sort of thing that very often gets flagged.

The ball was clearly out.  And they usually do flag a hit on the QB if the defensive player fails to minimize the hit or pull up a bit.  That usually gets flagged. 

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matty blue

November 20th, 2017 at 11:51 AM ^

i still remember a play during the rodriguez era; scrum of players around martavious odom, he's stopped but hasn't gone the ground yet, and one of their guys runs at least 15 yards into the pile and dives at the side of odom's knee.  i remember being absolutely stunned that he wasn't seriously injured.

again - a "football play" that never gets called and probably shouldn't (pre-whistle, live ball, hit at the ballcarrier's knee)...but still a cheap shot.  that's wisconsin.

their basketball team is no different, by the way.

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Occam's Razor

November 19th, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^

Blame Kugler, a fifth year senior, for missing a simple stunt. That is only egregious thing that happened on the play. Not surprising since the Oline sucks and has been missing stunts all year.

What level of denial are these fans in now that literally everything is a conspiracy or some dirty hit. The excuses are fucking absurd at this point. And people wonder why the nation loves to hate on Michigan fans. The fan base is full of in denial excuse makers when shit hits the fan. Nothing is ever wrong with the team, it’s always someone else’s fault. (Or even the weather now which only affected Michigan apparently).

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