247 has a link showing all the Michigan 5 stars

Submitted by ldevon1 on

Man, a few things I find interesting:

1. We haven't had a ton since they became a thing

2. We haven't had much luck with the one's we've had

3. How many players on the 97 team would have been considered 5 star? 

https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Gallery/Every-5-star-to-sign-with-Michigan-50912553?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=180131_200822_Michigan%20Wolverines&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=E1-30-A8-CF-C7-EC-12-52-10-29-70-10-68-5D-C7-4E180131_200822MichiganWolverines

GoBlueSouth

February 1st, 2018 at 7:58 AM ^

Is a money scam. I’ve coached for over 24 years in SEC country. The star rankings per Rivals is a money machine and you can’t predict how a kid will turn out. They may have played against terrible competition or they may not develop well because they can’t adapt well. The 5 Star RB out of Virginia (Green) is a prime example.

WoodleyIsBeast

February 1st, 2018 at 8:25 AM ^

1) Damien Harris has clearly outperformed Derrick Green.

2) Nobody can determine if he will be great on the next level since he has not gone yet.  I'm sure you'd say the same thing about Hunt or Kamara from last year's class prior to the draft.

3) How can you determine Fournette's shelf life?  Adrian Peterson runs just as hard and is still playing.  Marshawn Lynch, Lesean McCoy, countless others....

Ridiculous

GoBLUE_SemperFi

February 1st, 2018 at 10:08 AM ^

...stays in the NFL, have to do with whether or not stars matter?  They do matter, it's been documented over and over again.  For every 5 star that busts, there are 10-20 that don't...for every 2-3 start that overachieves, there are 100-200 that don't.

BoCanHam15

February 1st, 2018 at 10:25 AM ^

But I️ still say that most backs need a coherent offensive line. We haven’t seen that in a while. The reason I️ referred to Fournette is because he took a beating and his injuries are because he’s great and fighting for yardage on your own becomes tiresome and grueling over a running backs career!

GoBLUE_SemperFi

February 1st, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^

...that the OLine also matters, but you seem to be saying that Damien Harris is only a 5-star, because of the OLine.  He was the #1 running back, #31 overall, before committing to Alabama.  The original comment suggested that stars don't matter, because...well, Derrick Green...which is silly.  Stars matter and saying that, doesn't mean that anyone is suggesting that the OLine doesn't.

potomacduc

February 1st, 2018 at 7:59 PM ^

This. Stars are not a guarantee and mistakes are made, but every in depth review that has been conducted indicates a very strong link between star rating & a higher probability of future success at the collegiate & professional level. Those analyses have been posted on here multiple times and are painfully clear & easy to understand.

Longballs Dong…

February 1st, 2018 at 12:17 PM ^

... how is NFL RB life related to High School star rating?  We all know RBs don't last that long in the NFL... why are you shitting on kids for that?  Are you arguing that because you feel that Fournette will only last 3 years in the NFL, he shouldn't have been highly ranked in High School and wasn't a good college player?  Stars matter.  I can't believe this keeps coming up.  They aren't a guarantee and with such a small population, M might certainly have bad luck but that does not mean stars don't matter.

 

ldevon1

February 1st, 2018 at 9:05 AM ^

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but my expetations of a 5 star would be to start early and make a major contribution to your team. The All America teams are somewhat of a crap shoot because they are subjectively picked. Damien Harris is running behind 5 stars, but you can't hold that against the kid. He has never run for 1000 yds because he is splitting carries with other 5 star backs. A better indication would be team rushing yards. I would argue that he is better than any back we've had over the past 10 -12 years. 

BoCanHam15

February 1st, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^

To be a smart ass. Learn how to spell Aunt. Opinions really don’t matter much in here because no one is getting paid for them. My opinion could be wrong and I can admit that. Big deal! I️ get paid whether or not I’m right or wrong. Some people cannot decipher a simple question from a derogatory statement but that’s another story. But if my Aunt made a good Uncle they’d both be related to you! Because your Mom is your Dads first Cousin!

ldevon1

February 1st, 2018 at 12:15 PM ^

Think he is better than any back on our roster. I like our backs, but I would like them better if Harris was one of them. Having said that, we have no way of knowing how well he would do behind our line. He's stronger and faster than our returning leading rushers, so you could assume he would do better.

Blue Know It

February 1st, 2018 at 10:02 AM ^

i wanted to say the same thing but double checked first and BoCanHam didn't make the stars don't matter argument, but said Damien Harris wouldn't be proof that they do.

For the record, I in no way agree with him.

BigBlue02

February 1st, 2018 at 11:59 AM ^

If that is your point, why did you respond to someone who was saying stars don’t matter and was correctly being called out for it? At this point, I don’t even think you know what your point is

Lakeyale13

February 1st, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^

I would love to do the research to back up my perceptions, but I would wager Michigan has a disproportionate "failure rate" of 5 Star prospects compared to other schools. Will Campbell, Pipkins, Isaac, Green, Grady, etc. None of them where anywhere close to even 2-3rd Team Big Ten... if I'm remembering correctly.

Magnus

February 1st, 2018 at 8:12 AM ^

It's not a scam. It's an inexact science.

These sites are still in business partly because of the accuracy of their rankings. If all the 5-stars and high 4-stars bombed, they would be out of business. If all the elite college players were 2-stars as recruits, they would be out of business.

The NFL Draft isn't a scam, but there are still a lot of busts. It's the nature of the beast.

bronxblue

February 1st, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^

What I'd find interesting is how many guys who were outliers for each service compared to the consensus (i.e. who they rated higher than the aggregate rankings from the other services) turned out the best/overperformed their rankings.  Telling me Leonard Fournette is going to be a good RB in college is sort of a given; you can see that just by looking at him.  But a service that consistently gives a 3* kid 4*'s because they see something that translates well is more impressive.

Artie

February 1st, 2018 at 8:37 AM ^

Ugh. The “stars don’t matter” diatribe has been proven false on a number of occasions. Obviously there are going to be 5*’s that are busts and 2*3*’s that turn out to be pro bowlers. The top 247’s and whatnot are there to serve as a general guide into how players and classes in general will play out.

evenyoubrutus

February 1st, 2018 at 8:40 AM ^

If you are truly who you say you are (and I have no reason not to believe you) then you're an extremely biased person to be making that claim. Every coach thinks their star player is the best player anywhere. It's like asking a parent to rate his kid's abilities. Also tons of objective studies have proven you wrong time and time again.

Whole Milk

February 1st, 2018 at 9:21 AM ^

This narrative has been proven wrong time and time again. I just went through the 37 5*'s from the 2012 class (most recent to all have either graduated out or gone to the NFL). 81% of those 5*'s had at least a cup of coffee in the NFL. 5 of the 7 players who did not make the NFL had their careers shortened due to injury or legal trouble. 

If it is just a money scam, that doesn't matter to me because these services do a damn good job at predicting who is going to be good.

StraightDave

February 1st, 2018 at 9:27 AM ^

And I’ve lived in California and now Texas and I can assure you high school football in Cali and Texas is far superior than in Michigan. I said this before: Allen High School won the Texas 6A title this season - a high school all-star team from Michigan couldn’t beat Allen

Northville

February 1st, 2018 at 9:59 AM ^

Are butthurt fanbases that don’t get enough of them. Recruiting the best kids matters in any and every sport. How the sports marketing world has tried to reduce it to a pseudo-science is definitely silly at times. But you need the best Jimmies and Joes you can get. And the analysis and predictions of exactly who those fellas might be are stronger than ever. ‘Bama isn’t ‘Bama due to dumb luck or better Xs and Os. And OSU isn’t kicking UM’s butt because it’s just a cyclical rivalry. They are winning on the trail. This all seems like “duh” to me.

Mike Griffin pick

February 1st, 2018 at 7:59 AM ^

Asking for a friend...does anyone classify the players after their college playing days are done? Do they just use the first round as five stars...be interesting to see what programs do the best job at development.

Blue Know It

February 1st, 2018 at 10:12 AM ^

"be interesting to see what programs do the best job at development."

 

Not sure how this part can be truly accurate. In ranking that, for example, I wouldn't penalize Bama if their 5* DT that leaves as a Junior is ranked below Michigan's 3* Mo Hurst which is leaving after his fifth year. No telling where that 5* would have been ranked if he stayed at Bama and developed his game for two more years.  Might work if they account for how many years the player was developed at the school though.

jabberwock

February 1st, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^

but in a way, that's what the NFL draft is.

Also there is going to be some fluctuation when looking at college careers simply because some players (running back in this example) get to play behind 5* O-lines, and others get to play behind Michigan's.  

I would imagine overall offensive scheme & coaching has a huge impact as well.  Two very similar HS 5* can have VERY different careers and it isn't necessarily that the recruiting sites "mis-evaluated" them.