247 has a link showing all the Michigan 5 stars
Man, a few things I find interesting:
1. We haven't had a ton since they became a thing
2. We haven't had much luck with the one's we've had
3. How many players on the 97 team would have been considered 5 star?
February 1st, 2018 at 7:58 AM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 8:25 AM ^
1) Damien Harris has clearly outperformed Derrick Green.
2) Nobody can determine if he will be great on the next level since he has not gone yet. I'm sure you'd say the same thing about Hunt or Kamara from last year's class prior to the draft.
3) How can you determine Fournette's shelf life? Adrian Peterson runs just as hard and is still playing. Marshawn Lynch, Lesean McCoy, countless others....
Ridiculous
February 1st, 2018 at 8:31 AM ^
And trust me I’m hoping he lasts forever. You picked out one back with a career that lasted around 11-12 years. Please look up career at running back by years. It’s a simple research. 3-5 years average
February 1st, 2018 at 8:53 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 10:08 AM ^
...stays in the NFL, have to do with whether or not stars matter? They do matter, it's been documented over and over again. For every 5 star that busts, there are 10-20 that don't...for every 2-3 start that overachieves, there are 100-200 that don't.
February 1st, 2018 at 10:25 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^
...that the OLine also matters, but you seem to be saying that Damien Harris is only a 5-star, because of the OLine. He was the #1 running back, #31 overall, before committing to Alabama. The original comment suggested that stars don't matter, because...well, Derrick Green...which is silly. Stars matter and saying that, doesn't mean that anyone is suggesting that the OLine doesn't.
February 1st, 2018 at 12:11 PM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 12:17 PM ^
... how is NFL RB life related to High School star rating? We all know RBs don't last that long in the NFL... why are you shitting on kids for that? Are you arguing that because you feel that Fournette will only last 3 years in the NFL, he shouldn't have been highly ranked in High School and wasn't a good college player? Stars matter. I can't believe this keeps coming up. They aren't a guarantee and with such a small population, M might certainly have bad luck but that does not mean stars don't matter.
February 1st, 2018 at 8:34 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 9:05 AM ^
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but my expetations of a 5 star would be to start early and make a major contribution to your team. The All America teams are somewhat of a crap shoot because they are subjectively picked. Damien Harris is running behind 5 stars, but you can't hold that against the kid. He has never run for 1000 yds because he is splitting carries with other 5 star backs. A better indication would be team rushing yards. I would argue that he is better than any back we've had over the past 10 -12 years.
February 1st, 2018 at 10:04 AM ^
Damien Harris has two thousand-yard rushing seasons while rushing for over 7 YPC in each of them. I would say that qualifies as panning out.
February 1st, 2018 at 10:20 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 10:28 AM ^
But that doesn't diminish the fact that Harris is a really good back. I wouldn't look at Damien Harris and say he is overratted.
February 1st, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^
...without question. I would suggest, before you start bashing the Michigan OLine, as it pertains to RBs, you take a look at their YPC.
February 1st, 2018 at 11:23 AM ^
why pose this question? do you link your aunt would make a good uncle?
February 1st, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 12:03 PM ^
No one wants to hear.
February 1st, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 11:55 AM ^
I didn't say anything about the offensive line not mattering. I merely responded to your assertion that Harris hadn't run for a thousand yards...
February 1st, 2018 at 8:50 AM ^
What does a 5 star line matter, in your stupid opinion? Are you refuting the significance of 5 star athletes by claiming that they're not that great because other 5 star athletes make them look better?
February 1st, 2018 at 10:02 AM ^
i wanted to say the same thing but double checked first and BoCanHam didn't make the stars don't matter argument, but said Damien Harris wouldn't be proof that they do.
For the record, I in no way agree with him.
February 1st, 2018 at 10:30 AM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 8:12 AM ^
It's not a scam. It's an inexact science.
These sites are still in business partly because of the accuracy of their rankings. If all the 5-stars and high 4-stars bombed, they would be out of business. If all the elite college players were 2-stars as recruits, they would be out of business.
The NFL Draft isn't a scam, but there are still a lot of busts. It's the nature of the beast.
February 1st, 2018 at 9:29 AM ^
Maybe not a "money scam" but defintely a "money grab" .....with some inexact science thrown in there too.
February 1st, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^
If by a "money grab" you mean a "business where you exchange currency for goods and services" then yes, I agree
February 1st, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^
What I'd find interesting is how many guys who were outliers for each service compared to the consensus (i.e. who they rated higher than the aggregate rankings from the other services) turned out the best/overperformed their rankings. Telling me Leonard Fournette is going to be a good RB in college is sort of a given; you can see that just by looking at him. But a service that consistently gives a 3* kid 4*'s because they see something that translates well is more impressive.
February 1st, 2018 at 8:37 AM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 9:21 AM ^
This narrative has been proven wrong time and time again. I just went through the 37 5*'s from the 2012 class (most recent to all have either graduated out or gone to the NFL). 81% of those 5*'s had at least a cup of coffee in the NFL. 5 of the 7 players who did not make the NFL had their careers shortened due to injury or legal trouble.
If it is just a money scam, that doesn't matter to me because these services do a damn good job at predicting who is going to be good.
February 1st, 2018 at 9:22 AM ^
Rashan Gary would disagree with you, but instead he's just going to continue dominating and getting better.
To be sure some five stars have more growth potential than others.
February 1st, 2018 at 9:27 AM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 10:12 AM ^
"be interesting to see what programs do the best job at development."
Not sure how this part can be truly accurate. In ranking that, for example, I wouldn't penalize Bama if their 5* DT that leaves as a Junior is ranked below Michigan's 3* Mo Hurst which is leaving after his fifth year. No telling where that 5* would have been ranked if he stayed at Bama and developed his game for two more years. Might work if they account for how many years the player was developed at the school though.
February 1st, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
but in a way, that's what the NFL draft is.
Also there is going to be some fluctuation when looking at college careers simply because some players (running back in this example) get to play behind 5* O-lines, and others get to play behind Michigan's.
I would imagine overall offensive scheme & coaching has a huge impact as well. Two very similar HS 5* can have VERY different careers and it isn't necessarily that the recruiting sites "mis-evaluated" them.
February 1st, 2018 at 8:07 AM ^