Pre-BTT Hoops Mailbag, Part Two: Lineup Combos, Facing Nebraska-Types, Fouling, NBA Futures Comment Count

Ace

If you missed it, here's part one of the pre-BTT mailbag, and today's podcast also featured extensive hoops discussion. Let's get right back to it.

Lineup Combos: Unlocked


Recent adjustments have given Beilein more lineup flexibility. [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

It has indeed. When I ran a mailbag in mid-December, those lineup pairings were necessary to keep the team afloat. They aren't anymore.

While Isaiah Livers still holds the starting job, his minutes have faded significantly. Per KenPom, Duncan Robinson has played 71% of the minutes at the four over the last five games, and it's because he can be on the floor with Wagner again. Since conference play resumed, Michigan scores 1.13 points per possession and allows only 1.02 when the Robinson/Wagner combo is on the floor. The numbers get even starker when you look at the nine-game stretch since the second Purdue game, which I believe is around the time Luke Yaklich made his defensive tweak to keep Robinson mostly in the post: 


via HoopLens

The defensive numbers are impacted by some three-point luck (good for Robinson/Wagner, bad for other lineups) but there are still some significant takeaways. First, the offense is lethal when Wagner and Robinson are both hitting their threes—no surprise there. The other stat that stands out to me is their ability to dominate the defensive boards. Wagner has really stepped up his game as a rebounder; Robinson doesn't go get them often, but he's done a great job of sealing off his man—usually an offensive rebounding threat—to allow Wagner and the guards/wings to swoop in and grab the ball.

So long as the impact of these defensive adjustments remain, we should continue to see Robinson play around 30 minutes per game, even if Livers continues to start. Robinson is much more impactful on offense and his hidden impact on rebounding (plus his solid post defense) has made him a more valuable defender of late than Livers. (I can't believe I just typed that.)

Luke Yaklich unlocked Michigan's best lineups. With Robinson playable on defense again, John Beilein can be comfortable putting out groups like Simpson-MAAR-Poole-Robinson-Wagner that are capable of ridiculous shooting stretches like the 51-points-in-15-minutes torching of Maryland. That's been missing from the M offense this season; it's back now.

[Hit THE JUMP for the rest of the mailbag.]

Facing All-Switch Defenses


Quick, athletic defenses can give Michigan trouble. [Campredon]

Hi Ace,

I'm a big fan of your writing.  It seems like when watching M's offense, it usually does well against big, strong teams (Purdue and Michigan State this year) and struggles against quicker teams, even if they don't have size (like Nebraska this year).  I remember a game in Puerto Rico against Charlotte a few years ago where M got beat by a small, quick team that played pressure defense.  It seems teams that can switch screens (aka have fast big men) also give us trouble.  Two big things to punish teams that go small are post up and get offensive rebounds, and M doesn't usually try to do either.  Maryland started the second half with a 6'4" center - and got away with it for a while.

You think there's any truth to my theory? 

Thanks for your hard work - hang in there!

Luke
Longmont, CO

I'm not even going to bother with numbers here: you're not wrong, Luke. From a strategic standpoint, it makes sense that Michigan would struggle more against teams like Nebraska that can switch their bigs (and has bigs who are comfortable on the perimeter) than those like Purdue that feature a paint-bound center. There's a reason big men who can switch onto wings/guards are so coveted in today's NBA; it's the best way to combat the perimeter-oriented offenses that are taking over the game. In Wagner's case, it makes it harder for him to both get open three-point looks (his release is still rather slow) and beat his man off the dribble.

There are ways to combat this that I'm sure Beilein has already worked on, and the extra week to prepare between the BTT and NCAA tourney should help in that regard, especially once Beilein knows his opponent. It's worth noting the Nebraska debacle was largely a schedule loss; that was M's third game in six days while the Huskers had two full days to prep with no travel. I'm still rooting for M to draw teams that play more traditional centers.

Another Shift In Defensive Approach: Hacking


Making them earn it. [Campredon]

This is something I should've noted when discussing the fundamental changes Yaklich has made to the defense. Prior to this season, none of Beilein's teams at Michigan have ranked lower than 42nd in opponent free throw rate, and that was back in 2011; the Wolverines haven't finished below 25th since.

This season, Michigan ranks 100th in that stat. It's no coincidence that this team has the program's best block rate since Beilein's first squad here, which featured the #13 shot-blocker in the country in Ekpe Udoh, who had a 12.3% block rate. Yaklich is doing this with a starting center who has a wing-like 2.3% block rate and only one player (Jon Teske, 4.4%) above 2.5%. There's a team-wide emphasis to contest more shots—and contest them more closely—than in the past, even if it means putting opponents at the line more often. This Michigan team has their best eFG% defense and 2P% defense by a remarkable distance in the Beilein era. That, also, is no coincidence.

NBA Futures


Moe has a decision to make. [Patrick Barron]

I've received a ton of questions about next year's team that I don't have time to address before the more pressing this-year stuff, but I'll be sure to get to that outlook soon. (Spoiler: it's real, real good.) I thought this would be a good, quick holdover. I'm listing these guys in order of my perception of their NBA potential.

  1. Jordan Poole. See yesterday's mailbag. Potential lottery pick and someone I'd bet a significant amount of money will go in the first round.
  2. Moe Wagner. His rebounding progressed more than I imagined it could this year, which checks off one of his two major issues that last year's draft exploration spotlighted. The other is defense, and that's where Wagner's fit remains murky; he'd almost certainly have to develop into a stretch four/small-ball five, which means he'll have to get much better at both perimeter and post defense. He'd have to significantly improve his athleticism because his arms aren't getting any longer. He's a potentially valuable rotation piece who could slip into the back end of the first round; his skillset is hard to come by if he can address those defensive questions.
  3. Charles Matthews. The most NBA-level athlete on the team and Poole is the only other guy in the discussion. Matthews has obvious flaws but if he works out his shot—a big if, admittedly—he can settle into a role in the NBA as a versatile wing defender and ancillary scorer even if his handle prevents him from being a consistent off-the-dribble threat.
  4. Jon Teske. He'd be a lot higher—like, #1—is this were the 1990s. As it is, Teske may not be athletic enough as a true seven-footer to make it in an increasingly small-ball-oriented league as anything more than a rotation player whose minutes fade come playoff time. I could be very wrong here, though. Teske has promising skill for a true big and we could see a schematic backlash to the small switch-oriented teams increase the value for players in his mold. (Think of the renaissance in power football among top programs now that the spread has taken hold of football at all levels.)
  5. Isaiah Livers. While not a superlative athlete like Matthews, Livers is athletic enough, skilled enough, and just big enough to also fit that three-and-D mold. He's got more skill, in my opinion, and I like his basketball instincts; I was tempted to put him above Matthews but remarkable things can happen in the NBA with skill development and Matthews has the edge in athleticism, a gap that could make the difference when making the leap.

Whether or not Wagner returns, this list will grow significantly with next year's team, too.

Comments

Ace

February 28th, 2018 at 2:33 PM ^

...it's been a rough month that included a weird, unexpected health issue that's just getting resolved in addition to the expectedly difficult adjustment to a new regimen of medications. This week has been a lot better; I'm planning to be back in full for the rest of the season (I'll be recapping tomorrow's game) but I still have to monitor things on a day-to-day basis right now. Generally, though, things are heading in the right direction.

JiveTurkeys

February 28th, 2018 at 4:45 PM ^

I do this joke with my wife where I loudly refer to her "IBS problems" when we're in public places - even though she definitely doesn't have IBS.  This seems like the sort of thing Brian would do to you on your podcast - even if you definitely don't have IBS.  So, in short, I hope Brian doesn't start talking about your IBS in the podcast.

(in seriousness, I'm very glad you're heading in the right direction.  you're very much appreciated and well-regarded around here and I'm sure in real life too)

CLion

February 28th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^

(A) Ace on hoops is always on point.

(B) I'd like to see Beilein attempt to minimize the number of minutes Simpson and Matthews play together. They both need too many minutes to completely avoid, but I feel like the offense often bogs down when they are in together.

In reply to by CLion

Ace

February 28th, 2018 at 3:29 PM ^

That pairing has actually been quite good: 1.15 PPP scored and 1.04 allowed since conference play resumed, and there's a healthy offensive dropoff (1.06 PPP) when those two aren't paired together. If you look at the last nine games (same sample as the Robinson/Wagner data in the post) and add Duncan Robinson to the lineup you get some really intriguing results:

There's certainly some noise in there but the offense definitely doesn't die with Z and Matthews out there together.

CLion

February 28th, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^

That's interesting. Maybe it's more just Matthews recent issues more than anything. Still, I would prefer to push Simpson/Poole/Rahk over Simpson/Rahk/Matthews if the offense is struggling.

ijohnb

February 28th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

3s that Matthews hit against Maryland in the second half could be very significant.  Seriously, if Matthews can get going, this season could get special.  If that happens, then this team really does become impossible to defend.

CLion

February 28th, 2018 at 4:09 PM ^

Honestly, I'll even just take Robinson + Poole right now. Matthews still has some value regardless. If he really gets going again though, there's no limit to how far this team could go.

AC1997

February 28th, 2018 at 2:47 PM ^

One of the few things that still frustrates me greatly about our offense this year is the inability to feed the post or even shallow cuts inside the line.  While post-offense is notoriously inefficient in general, I refuse to believe that "Mo Wagner posting a 6'1" guard" will end in anything other than a GIF.  Yet when we face those lineups our guards often stare at that matchup and get scared off from making that pass.  

TrueBlue2003

March 1st, 2018 at 12:21 AM ^

as you saw from the table Ace posted yesterday, we've not been good on post-ups (only 0.87 PPP) and plenty of them have been Wagner on smaller guys. He is 6'11 but he's not a post player.  Much more comfortable facing the basket.  He's not big enough to back guys down like bigger guys do to him, he doesn't have a hook shot, and he has a hard time spinning around smaller guys like he does against bigger statues.

The coaches have almost certainly told them not to go to the post as tempting as it might be.

My guess that our plan for teams that switch won't be to go to the post, but to try to exploit the matchup involving a bigger player on our guards.  I think we'll even see Wagner clear all the way out to the corner with 5 out and then let Z and other guards go to work with an empty lane.

The other option I think we'll see is ball handler attacking hard off the pick and the screener rolling hard picking and popping (since the switch essentially stops that).  Getting the bigs rolling hard to the hoop is probably the best way to take advantage of big on little mismatches without needing to post up.

And if Roby is able to shut down our guards without requiring help, we'll probably also run less pick and roll and stay with our perimeter weave/backdoor cutting action with Poole and Robinson needing to hit some pull up threes off that action. 

M Ascending

March 1st, 2018 at 7:20 AM ^

Actually, we do go to the post, but not in the traditional post-up scenario.  We often use slip passes for open lay-ups/dunks when the post defender tries to double or come out on our ball handler.  Teske and Wagner have both been the benficiary of this many times this year.   Now, whether this should technically be considered passing into the post is a philosophical question well beyond my pay grade.

AC1997

February 28th, 2018 at 2:52 PM ^

As discussed in the PodCast, I share the enthusiasm for Beilein finding his Don Brown this year and making our team a contender without having a fire-breathing dragon of an offense.  

I do see a potential concern for next year hidden among the hype surrounding Poole, the freshmen, and the sudden competency on D.  Who shoots the ball next year besides Poole?  

Our starting five will include the following:

  • Simpson - Wide open jumpers only
  • Poole - Any shot any time
  • Matthews - Okay shooter, more of a slasher
  • Livers - Okay shooter who will get better, not his primary skill
  • Teske - Not a shooter

I see a very good defensive team in that list but I wonder where the points will come from without Wagner, Robinson, and Rahk.  The freshmen will bring some reinforcements, but how many will play meaningful minutes?  

laxmangl29

February 28th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^

I think Beilein is going to be counting on some productive freshman.

Freshman PG likely wont be a huge contributor off the jump, it takes at LEAST half a season for a pg to be competent in this offense, but DeJulius seems like the type that can put some points on the board early in the season despite being so fresh a la Trey Burke.

Brandon Johns can put points up and so can Brazdeikis. If Johns has a livers style year, and Brazdeikis can be Just a Shooter, we should do ok. 

Guy Fawkes

February 28th, 2018 at 3:14 PM ^

Michigan has the next great PG coming in next year in DeJulius, I think he'll pass Brooks rather quickly and be a 15-20 minute player. He's a better scorer than Simpson. 

Ignas Brazdeikis is the Big Ten Freshmen of the year next season, heard it here first. The guy is a plug and play and may take Livers spot in the starting 5 after a while. I'm thinking 12-13ppg for him. 

Brandon Johns also is bringing the ability to score and rebound, he's got the length and athleticism to defend the post or taller wing players. 

These 3 guys are seeing the court immediately. With the 5 you mentioned for a pretty nice 8 man rotation with Brooks sprinkled in, Davis will battle Castleton for the backup 5 minutes too. Of course this is all moot to an extent if Michigan gets Wagner back.

Scoring threats next season IMO: 

1. Poole 2. Iggy 3. Matthews 4. Livers 5. Teske 6. Simpson 7. DeJulius 8. Johns 

Ace

February 28th, 2018 at 3:16 PM ^

He's not as touted as the other freshmen but the kid can really shoot and he wouldn't need to be anything more than a gunner. Could have a Freshman Zak Irvin type season. I'm not concerned about shot creation next year. 

Guy Fawkes

February 28th, 2018 at 3:28 PM ^

Ace, could you also see redshirts for Nunez and Castleton? Obviously is Nunez comes to town and starts making everything then that changes. With the 8 next year seeming like the core, add in Davis, Brooks, Castleton, and Nunez thats 12 guys. Someones not going to play much if at all

Ace

February 28th, 2018 at 3:32 PM ^

I could see it going either way for Nunez. If he can hack it on defense, I think his shooting will get him out there.

While I'm never one to count out a Beilein point guard, I think DeJulius is going to take Brooks' minutes. A bench unit featuring DeJulius running the pick-and-roll with Nunez as the spot-up gunner benefiting from the resulting kickouts greatly intrigues me.

Richard75

February 28th, 2018 at 6:29 PM ^

Look at this year’s team. Poole is only now getting major minutes. Livers is starting but has a very limited role. Simmons isn’t a freshman but is another example of a guy needing more time than expected to adapt.

First-year players at U-M rarely come in and take huge roles, no matter how plug and play they seem.

TrueBlue2003

March 1st, 2018 at 12:31 AM ^

he's at 39 percent. That's better than DJ's 37 percent from the stretch 4 position last year.  He's a very good shooter for his position.

He's not a creator though, so other guys will have to suck in the defense to get him open shots. 

But if he's a 39 percent guy again next year, we will absolutely take that and it's good enough to either force guys not to help off him (thus opening up driving lanes) or it's enough to make them pay with extremely high efficiency (58.5 eFG% or nearly 1.2 points per shot). 

MGoChippewa

February 28th, 2018 at 2:55 PM ^

but I would put Livers 3rd on the NBA potential list.  Long-armed 6'8 guys who can defend both forward spots are hard to find.  I see Livers as an Al-Farouq Aminu type in the NBA. 

KTisClutch

February 28th, 2018 at 3:19 PM ^

I don't know Livers exact wingspan, but Aminu's is 7'3". And Aminu is almost 6'8" without shoes and I'd venture to guess Livers needs shoes to reach 6'8". If he makes it to the NBA it will be as a Tobias Harris type player. Big, strong 4 that is not going to pretect the rim. Now Tobias HArris was a fantastic college player Livers has to keep growing as a shooter and a playmaker. He's shown 0 playmaking ability thus far in his career, which is to be expected.

 

I would be very surprised if Livers didn't play all 4 years here.

KTisClutch

February 28th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^

I like Livers, but his usage is tiny. He's purely a defensive player that hits spot up 3s of which have not even been coming recently. Nothing off screens, nothing off the dribble. He just hasn't shown skills to make up for his honestly average athleticism as far as the NBA is concerned.

Ace

February 28th, 2018 at 3:14 PM ^

...if he put his name in to get an evaluation, mostly with an eye on seeing what he needs to do to make a run at the lottery next year. I'd be surprised if he actually goes unless he has a postseason run of such legendary proportions that we couldn't even be upset about it. NBA doesn't draft a lot of 7th men in the rotation even if the talent is obvious.

CLion

February 28th, 2018 at 3:16 PM ^

If he actually went through with it, I bet he would get taken second round on potential. It would be a very ill advised and unlikely move though since one more year could mean lottery.

In reply to by CLion

Mr Miggle

February 28th, 2018 at 4:18 PM ^

getting drafted on potential. Poole isn't too short to play SG in the NBA, but good players his size are easy to find. NBA teams like to reach for players with skills and athleticism that are unusual for their size. He would have to light up the combine or dominate in the tournament.

TrueBlue2003

March 1st, 2018 at 12:45 AM ^

have skill and athelicism that are unusual for his size.

Skill: Um, have you seen the guy shoot? And drive? And those nifty passes?  Very highly skilled at this point in his development.

Athleticism: His block rate of 1.9 is very high for his size.  He's shown some really impressive athleticism on defense.  That's almost three times the block rate of similarly sized MAAR.  NBA scouts drool over block rates combined with low fouls rates (his is low enough) because it's highly indicative of a guys ability to guard and contest shots at the next level. Poole has shown that he has the tools to be a very good defender and to my eye, he has been a good on-ball defender.

His defensive issues are entirely mental: he gets caught sleeping on backdoors, doesn't rotate at the right times, gets impulsive and leaves his man to try to get steals, etc.  All things the NBA doesn't really care about because those things can be taught.