Life After DJ: The Post-Wilson Squad and Potential Additions Comment Count

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Yesterday's NBA Draft withdrawal deadline brought good news and bad news for Michigan. Moe Wagner will be back for his junior year; DJ Wilson is staying in the draft, reportedly after getting a first-round guarantee from Utah, which owns the #24 and #30 picks.

Wagner's return is of paramount importance. He took the highest share of shots of any Wolverine last year, and he'll be leaned on even more after the departures of the next two players on that list, Derrick Walton and Zak Irvin. With grad transfer Jaaron Simmons, a strong pick-and-roll ballhandler, stepping into Walton's role, Michigan's offense should once again revolve around the 1-5 high screen.

Losing Wilson, however, has a significant impact on how this team can play. Let's start with a look at the current roster, keeping in mind that positional designations can be fluid, especially between SG-SF-PF:

PG SG SF PF C
J. Simmons MAAR C. Matthews D. Robinson M. Wagner
X. Simpson J. Poole I. Watson I. Livers J. Teske
E. Brooks       A. Davis

The area of concern is the position Wilson just vacated: power forward, where Duncan Robinson is poised to play huge minutes. Wilson's absence eliminates a lot of Michigan's lineup versatility. They're going to be small at the four, because Wagner isn't quick enough to stick with the vast majority of college fours, eliminating the potential to slide him down a position when Jon Teske or Austin Davis steps in at center—that lineup only looks viable against the rare team like last year's Purdue squad that occasionally plays two traditional bigs.

So how does Wilson's departure impact the team? How does John Beilein adjust? Let's take a look.

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PERSONNEL

As the roster currently stands, Duncan Robinson is going to play a huge role. At 6'8", 215 pounds, he's the only returning player who's built to play the four. I've seen several lineup projections with Charles Matthews getting time at that spot, but I don't think that will work; at 6'6", 190, he just doesn't have the requisite size—even Beilein's most undersized power forward, Zack Novak, played at 210 pounds.

That means incoming freshman Isaiah Livers is almost certain to not only crack the rotation, but see significant playing time. He'll be the most natural power forward on the roster, and while his defense may not be a strength as a true freshman, it should still be an upgrade over Robinson's.

The ripple effect also means Michigan is a little thin on the wings, especially if Ibi Watson can't bounce back from an ugly freshman year. If he can't contribute, it'll be up to freshmen Jordan Poole and Eli Brooks to provide depth behind Muhammad-Ali Abdur-Rahkman and Matthews. Poole, who has a natural role as a sharpshooter with NBA range, is the most likely to see 10-15 minutes off the bench—he'll at least provide spacing and outside shooting.

OFFENSE

Even though Wilson was one of the most efficient offensive players in the conference, this area is where his absence will be felt the least. He was utilized as a (very effective) role player last year, and his production tended to happen in spurts. If there's one thing Robinson can do, it's score; other than shifting a number of shots from the paint to the three-point arc, there shouldn't be much change here: the starting lineup will still be lethal if Matthews and Simmons live up to expectations, and Poole can hopefully fill Robinson's old role of designated bench gunner. Livers is an intriguing player here, too, as a natural four with a good-looking shot, three-point range, and impressive passing.

DEFENSE

This is where things get hairy. According to Synergy, Wilson was easily Michigan's best defender last year, giving up only 0.74 points per possession (83rd percentile) while taking on the most individual defense possessions of any Wolverine. Xavier Simpson (0.76 PPP, 80th percentile) was the only other rotation player to grade out above the 60th percentile, and he played a lot less than Wilson.

Robinson, meanwhile, ranked in the 23rd percentile on defense. While Oregon iso'd him to death in the Sweet Sixteen, his bigger issues came off the ball—he did a very poor job of fighting through off-ball screens and wasn't great at closeouts, two things Wilson did very well. Livers has good defensive upside, though it's hard to bank on a true freshman being a plus player in that department.

Wilson was Michigan's only player who consistently blocked shots since Ekpe Udoh, and the only guy who looks like he could be a rim protector—Jon Teske—is stuck behind Wagner. Wilson arguably made an even bigger impact on M's defense with his ability to switch between perimeter players and bigs and hold up well against both. That's not going to be the case with Robinson, and Livers is going to take some time to develop.

REBOUNDING

This was already an area of concern—it's hard to overstate the importance of Derrick Walton's defensive rebounding the last couple years—and it's only become a bigger one sans Wilson. While Wilson wasn't an impact rebounder last year, especially once conference play hit (7.2 OR%, 12.2 DR% in B1G play), he had a lot of upside in that area that Robinson (0.4%, 10.0%) simply doesn't. Livers wasn't sound on the glass in high school last year, either.

Michigan is going to need their athletic wings to crash the glass with Walton-like aplomb, because Wagner isn't a great rebounder and now he doesn't have another 6'10" guy alongside him. This could be a real problem when Michigan faces teams like Michigan State, which now has a huge, deep, and talented frontcourt.

POSSIBLE ADDITIONS


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  HT WT ORtg %Min %Poss OR% DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FTRate FTM-FTA 2PM-2PA 3PM-3PA
Cam Johnson 6-8 210 120.7 82.0 16.4 2.5 12.8 14.4 12.6 1.0 1.7 26.1 60-74 (81.1%) 49-96 (51.0%) 78-188 (41.5%)
MiKyle McIntosh 6-7 234 99.2 57.1 28.2 6.5 16.4 14.5 20.5 3.8 1.5 47.7 103-135 (76.3%) 85-193 (44.0%) 32-90 (35.6%)

Wilson going pro does leave Michigan with an open scholarship, and given the above it'd sure be nice if they could use it on someone who's viable at the four. At the moment, there are three known options, though none of them seem exceedingly likely.

Sam Webb posted yesterday that he expects M will attempt to get back in the mix for Pitt grad transfer Cam Johnson, a coveted 6'8" wing who's in transfer limbo after Pitt blocked him from transferring to another ACC school:

I mentioned this in a reply to one of the threads below, but my gut tells me Michigan will kick the tires Pitt grad transfer Cam Johnson. He dropped Michigan from consideration due in part to the inability to guarantee him a spot. He is a versatile wing that is a big time academic kid, and PITT is blocking North Carolina as an option. I don't know if anything will come of renewed interest on the Wolverines' part, but my gut tells me they will at least give it a try.

Johnson has two years of eligibility remaining, which makes him a particularly enticing option. He's a proven outside shooter who was very effective as a role player for Pitt; while he mostly played the three for them, and would need to do more work on the glass at Michigan, he's an ideal fit for Beilein's system. He'd be a huge get.

Another possible grad transfer is Illinois State's MiKyle McIntosh, who withdrew from the draft yesterday. He's got the requisite bulk and rebounding ability, and he's a decent outside shooter whose numbers would likely improve when not playing an extreme high-usage role. Unfortunately, Wisconsin may have the inside track after hiring ISU assistant Dean Oliver to their staff.

The final possibility is landing four-star Canadian forward Ignas Brazdeikis, who has strong interest in Michigan, and convincing him to reclassify to 2017, which is on the table. He'd yet to talk about this possibility with the coaches when UMHoops' Orion Sang talked to him yesterday, and the coaches don't necessarily have to rush; they can kick the tires on grad transfer prospects, who are likely to have a bigger immediate impact, before giving Brazdeikis a spot on the 2017-18 roster.

OUTLOOK

Wilson's departure relegates Michigan to the second tier of Big Ten contenders behind Michigan State and Purdue, and there are a lot of believers in Minnesota and Northwestern, too. (I'm rather skeptical of both.) Maryland will be dangerous now that Justin Jackson has announced he'll return for his sophomore year, Indiana has plenty of talent and Archie Miller, and you can never fully dismiss Wisconsin from contention.

Landing Cam Johnson would vault Michigan into that first tier; if that happened, I think they'd have as good a shot at the conference crown as anyone save (sigh) MSU. As the roster currently stands, this is a team that's going to have to out-gun their opponents, and I see that as a team that'll finish in the 3-6 range in the conference—good enough to get in the tournament, but probably not a team that's going to make a major postseason run.

Comments

username03

May 25th, 2017 at 4:29 PM ^

Let me first start out by saying, John Beilein is the greatest coach ever and any recruiting issues are not his fault because his hands are unfairly tied. That said, I always thought it was strange the way he recruits the four spot. The specifics of his system make it seem like this would be the perfect spot for a one and done or two and done type of player, but he never goes after those guys.

mbrummer

May 25th, 2017 at 4:38 PM ^

The majority of those players require jumping into the deep end of shady recruiting.  Beilein barely dips his foot in.

Basketball recruiting is dirty, has been dirty forever, and will continue to be dirty.  We're not willing to play in those circles.  

Blame him for that if you want.  But don't pretend there aren't reasons he can't recruit the superstar recruits.

username03

May 25th, 2017 at 5:24 PM ^

I do not know what ethical or dirty means in this context and since this is essentially a feels converstation (I've never seen any evidence that every or even most 5 star players are being paid, nor why that is in fact unethical), we are a long way from me giving up on 'ethical' recruiting or from you accusing me of doing so.

Maizen

May 25th, 2017 at 5:05 PM ^

Michigan signed the #41 recruting class in the country this year. Watson, Teske, and Davis gave the team nothing last year. Xavier Simpson was just recruited over by Jaaron Simmons. Dawkins, Chatman, and Doyle in the class before all left the program. Mizzou, Texas, WKU, Miami, Oregon, Va Tech, UNLV, Alabama, OU, USC, and FSU all signed 5 star players this year. Can we stop making excuses about cheating? It's such a tired bit. I think Beilein is a top 10 coach and for the most part the guys that do stick around tend to get better and he does a nice job developing them, but his recruiting is not without criticism.

BigBlue02

May 25th, 2017 at 6:10 PM ^

Chatman was a five star at one time and ended up a high four star. Beilein's recruiting can only be criticized if you only look at recruiting rankings instead of actual talent or you expect multiple guys to get drafted out of each class

Maizen

May 25th, 2017 at 6:36 PM ^

Agree to disagree. Beilein has landed some nice players but for the most part has found a way to do more with less. When he finally landed a top 10 class he did more with more. Michigan at worst should be pulling in top 15 classes every year, and the high number of misses over the last few years is concerning.

BigBlue02

May 25th, 2017 at 10:02 PM ^

Yeah but just this past year, you couldn't stop saying Beilein was past his prime and we were on our way down because of his recruiting misses. Then guys got better like they do under Beilein and if DJ Wilson comes back next year, we are looking at a bright future with probably a better team than this year. Why do you care about recruiting rankings when Beilein has had more guys drafted than the rest of the B10? Your prognostications are shit because you look at recruiting rankings instead of actual talent. 2 years ago, Wislson was riding the bench and now he will be a 1st round draft pick. Wagner will leave early next year. Beilein is spitting out draft picks at a rate Michigan has never seen before and ironically you are upset because you think Beilein isn't recruiting any talent

WindyCityBlue

May 26th, 2017 at 8:26 AM ^

Recruting rankings are a good determing factor for success in college basketball, but less so on getting drafted. That's why recruiting rankings are important.

As an example: Wilson was a decent, but not particulary great, player this year.  He received NO big ten honors this year, and they give those things out like candy.  And here is, getting drafted based on potential. 

We were at our best when we pulled in our best class according to recruitng rankings.  We were young and talented.  And that's what makes a program elite.  Not the way JB typically recruits - you get mixed results that way.

Overall, its absolutely mind bottling why JB can't recruit better.  (a) He's had recent success in the big ten and NCAA tourney; (b) he's near fertile recruiting grounds; (c) he has the Michigan, Nike and Jumpman brand; (d) and he's really good at getting people into the NBA.  He's given the holy grail of factors to be successful, yet he continues to screw it up.

BigBlue02

May 26th, 2017 at 11:38 AM ^

We last won the B10 with only one starter in the top 50 of recruiting rankings. And we won it by 3 games. We are arguably he best team in the B10 since 2010. "Recruiting better" is only a thing if you care about rankings and not talent. We missed the tournament once when our three best players were out for the year with injuries. Beilein recruits the way he wants, goes after some big fish and gets a couple here or there, and our results are pretty damn good.

Maizen

May 26th, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^

I would say the results are inconsistent. He's won the B1G twice and gets all the credit in the world for that, but he's also finished 9th, 7th, 7th, 4th, 4th, 9th, 8th, and 5th. I don't know how anyone can defend a recruiting class ranked in the 40's. I don't know how anyone can defend an entire freshman class contributing practically nothing last year. And I don't know how anyone can defend the Dawkins, Doyle, Chatman class the year before all flaming out.

Beilein wins in spite of his recruiting not because of it. He's a damn good X and O's coach and he does have an eye for overlooked talent. He's done a hell of a job of putting guys in the NBA and I'm glad he's our coach, but I'd rather see him win with top 15 recruiting classes than top 40 ones. Because you need McDonalds All Americans and 5 star players to win national titles. And if that's not everyone's goal, why even follow the team.

turd ferguson

May 26th, 2017 at 2:23 PM ^

Unfortunately, I lost my file and haven't had the patience to go back and redo it, but a year or two ago I looked at the correlation between Beilein's recruits' ratings at the time he got them and their subsequent contributions at Michigan.  It really is almost 0 (in the neighborhood of 0.1 IIRC, although there's obviously subjectivity in rating players' contributions).  It's kind of amazing, actually.  

In general with college sports, you're right that higher-rated players are more productive, but that just hasn't happened with Beilein.  It has been very hard to predict his players' productivity based on their recruiting ratings.  I think some of that is the nature of college basketball (that guys leave so quickly after turning productive), some of it is Beilein's ability to identify and develop talent, and some of it is the systems he runs.

This isn't a "you're a dick" or "recruiting ratings don't matter" post.  I pay attention to ratings, too.  But if there's one guy it doesn't make sense to evaluate based on recruiting rankings, it really might be John Beilein.

 

mjv

May 26th, 2017 at 12:52 PM ^

He does an excellent job of developing players, as the recent history in the NBA draft would attest.  But he doesn't bring in guys who are impact players as freshman.  

We are effectively a team who has players that have one impactful year before leaving, it just happens to be their sophomore year.  The struggle is that requiring a year lead time to develop a player makes any misses on the recruiting trail more damaging as the staff needs to plan further out than the one-and-done crowd that has the churn earlier.  

My feels-take is that Beilein is probably a top 20 coach.  He's excellent in many areas, but he has a couple of areas that aren't elite -- recruiting, defense (until recently), and substitution patterns around fouls. For an institution that places great value on ethics and student athletes actually being students, we probably aren't going to find a more successful guy that lines up with the institution.

WindyCityBlue

May 26th, 2017 at 2:22 PM ^

...until your last sentence.  No doubt JB is a clean and ethical guy, but he is not unique in that regard.  We like to think he is, but the VAST majority of college coaches are no different.   And to be honest, being ethical are table stakes for being a college basketball coach.  That is why dirty/unethical couches are very rare.

JB gets paid VERY well.  Being ethical is not something I'm going to necessarily praise, its something I'm going to expect.

mgoblueben

May 25th, 2017 at 6:56 PM ^

Yes Alabama has no success with the top rated class every year and same goes with Kentucky in bball. Your argument is flawed. Rankings are very good predictors. You can't fault mazen as Beileins top class resulted in an instant final 4. To get there consistently we need a 5 star in each class. And there's no excuse for Michigan to not be a top 20 class every year. Beilein is still the greatest coach, not the best recruiter.

93Grad

May 26th, 2017 at 10:15 AM ^

Look at all the kids JB had offered and missed on from 2013-2017. Are you telling me those kids were dirty? Then why did JB offer them? Even if you buy that lame excuse how do you explain the recruiting success in 2011 and 2012? JB is a great coach but not a great recruiter and that has nothing to do with being dirty or not.

TrueBlue2003

May 25th, 2017 at 4:39 PM ^

and figured he must have committed somewhere since Brian didn't mention him as an option yesterday.  He would be a PERFECT get here. Although, having three transfers starting could get pretty interesting for an offense that is notoriously hard to pick up (although, Mathews has been in the program for a year so he should be ahead for a transfer).

If we can't reel in Johnson, that lineup of Robinson and Wagner as the "bigs" is really, really scary for defense.  Just when we had a resurgence in defense under Donlon (best defensive efficiency since 2013 despite a very unlucky opponent 3pt %), this lineup could take a big step back with literally no interior defense.

I'd be very interested to see us try Wagner as a stretch 4, which is a more natural position for him and one that he'd likely play in the NBA/pros.  If Teske or Davis have made a leap, it could be an answer for 10-15 min a game agaisnt bigger lineups (or if our guards are getting burned and we have no rim-protection).  The question would be what to do on offense.  Stay with a 1-5 PnR with Teske/Davis rolling hard and keep Wagner as a spread-the-floor shooter? I think you'd have to since you can't put Teske/Davis on the perimeter.  Maybe they sit at the opposite block of the PnR as an option if their man helps on the roller?

Should be a very interesting year with a lot of new faces.

UMQuadz05

May 25th, 2017 at 4:39 PM ^

Prediction: This team will look fairly shabby and disoriented for a few months, before the light goes on for the new guys and they start steamrolling the conference.

Source: Eh, most Beilein teams.

Whole Milk

May 26th, 2017 at 9:21 AM ^

You forgot to add that after this late season resurgence, we have multiple guys mulling over the NBA draft, where we will inevitably lose at least one. I fully expect Austin Davis and Jordan Poole to storm onto the scene and be drafted in the first round next season, because of course they will.  

Bill

May 25th, 2017 at 4:42 PM ^

Davis and Wagner can play together. Davis solves defending the post and defensive reboudning problems. On offense, Davis can play the Jordan Morgan role while Wagner stretches the floor.

MichiganMan14

May 26th, 2017 at 2:08 PM ^

I know he's from Onsted and not a blue chip....but....watch his game film. He is going to contribute and do well here. I'm actually excited about him. Teske is a bit more of a project but we have size now and it's up to the staff to maximize it. An addition of McIntosh or Cam Johnson would put us right back in line with MSU and Purdue in my opinion. One player away. DJ leaving is a benefit in the sense that he helps build our NBA brand and eventually the numbers of Beilein producing NBA guys will give way to some recruting coups.

Mgostats

May 25th, 2017 at 4:51 PM ^

...don't discount the possibility of Wagner playing at the four.

While he may not be quick enough to be a solid on-ball defender, he could thrive in a 2-3 zone, with Davis or Teske in the middle.

mgoblueben

May 25th, 2017 at 6:47 PM ^

Completely agree. If Mo wants to go in the first round and play in the NBA, it's as a 4. I disagree with ace, he does have the quickness and he's better equipped to take on a 4 than a 5 right now. You don't see Porzingis matching up on true centers. And if Duncan Robinson plays a bigger role than bench gunner then we should prepare for a pretty bad year. Not impossible but he's a slight breeze against a semi out on the court defensively. Here's to hoping we get a big time transfer and Matthews and Poole step up big time. Simmons too

Maizen

May 25th, 2017 at 4:57 PM ^

This is why you need to recruit McDonalds All Americans. The only difference between DJ Wilson and the 1 and dones are the two years he spent on scholarship not contributing. Now there is a huge hole on the team because we don't have guys ready to step in and contribute. On the bright side I'm glad Beilein is willing to explore the transfer market fill holes. Mark Few does this as well as anyone in the country. I just think the fact that Michigan will be starting 3 transfers next year speaks to their inability to recruit instant impact players as well as they should be. All that said, Beilein does a nice job with the guys he does get his hands on. Here's hoping they can land Cam Johnson or McIntosh.

bronxblue

May 25th, 2017 at 5:26 PM ^

Do you think he honestly doesn't try to recruit elite talent? Or that every 5* true freshman is instantly a contributor? This is such a weird take to have. Yes, Michigan would be better if every player stuck around and was great every year they were on campus.

Maizen

May 25th, 2017 at 5:47 PM ^

I honestly think he hates the idea of 1 and dones and have heard he doesn't like the attitude most (not all) 5 star players come in with in terms of their NBA focus. 

Here's my main point, Beilein has signed one top 10 class in his 10 years here and immediately went to a Final 4. Everyone's waiting for him to get back there and until they recruit near that level again I don't think they will.

True Blue Grit

May 26th, 2017 at 8:47 AM ^

the point Beilein doesn't like dealing with the one and done's.  Also, he could be looking only at guys who are at least somewhat serious about academics.  In the elite pool of players each year, that cuts way down on the number of available guys Beilein will go after.  And I think we can all agree that Beilein won't play the game of "bidding" with other programs for a player's services.  IOW, he won't guarantee playing time or minutes to offer special allowances he wouldn't to other players.  

Whole Milk

May 26th, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^

I don't know if the analysis of not getting back to a final four is solely determined by recruiting as you indicate. I think the way Beilein does it makes for teams that every 3-4 years or so, things work out and we have a team that has the potential to do it. Last year's team was one open Derrick Walton three away from knocking off the eventual Final Four team in the Sweet 16. We had bad recruiting the last few years and were one missed shot and 40 minutes away from a Final Four. There are other ways of doing it, I am bored and decided to look up the number of 5*s recruited in the 4 years prior to each teams final four year (Transfers aside).

2017 Oregon: 0

2017 UNC: 4

2017 Gonzaga: 0

2017 South Carolina: 1

2016 Villanova: 1

2016 North Carolina: 3

2016 Oklahoma: 0

2016 Syracuse: 3

2015 Duke: 6

2015 Wisconsin: 1

2015 Michigan State: 2

2015 Kentucky: 17

2014 Connecticut: 1

2014 Kentucky: 16

2014 Wisconsin: 1

2014 Florida: 4

As we all know, recruiting helps, and the Blue Bloods who have success will always have their 5 stars (Kentucky, my god), but I think most agree that we are not on that top 5 level. 50% of final four teams since 2014 have had 1 or 0 5*s recruited in the 4 years prior to their run. Recruiting certainly helps, but it is not the only way.

Maizen

May 26th, 2017 at 11:14 AM ^

I can already tell you your numbers are wrong just by looking at your first few teams. Without going through everyone else Zach Collins was a McDonalds All American and 5 star at Gonzaga. So was Nigel Williams Goss. Tyler Dorsey at Oregon was a 5 star. North Carolina had 8 McDonalds All Americans on their roster this year. At Nova Omar Spellman and Jalen Brunson were 5 stars. Maybe the composite on these guys lowered their ranking slightly but these were 5 star players by more than one service. Moreover, many of these programs are signing multiple top 100 kids every year. Appreciate the effort here, but your numbers are wrong and your logic is severly flawed.

Whole Milk

May 26th, 2017 at 12:12 PM ^

You even said it yourself with composite (The common practiced best judge on true rankings), which is what my numbers were based off of. If you want to tell me I'm "wrong" then show it with facts instead of changing what I did to make it fit your criteria. The fact is, slightly under half of the teams that have made final fours (I'll give you gonzaga and their transfers) have one or less composite 5*'s on their roster at the time of their final four. 

Zach Collins 4* http://gonzaga.247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/Commits

Nigel Williams Goss - Transfer (specifically stated in post)

Tyler Dorsey 4* http://247sports.com/player/tyler-dorsey-14237

UNC - Maybe had 8 All Americans - Only had Bradley, Jackson, Pinson and Hicks were the only 5 stars - http://northcarolina.247sports.com/Season/2013-Basketball/Commits

Omari Spellman - Wasn't on that team...

On a separate note, let's just look at classes as a whole ranking over the 4 year period(247 composite):

Oregon ('13-'16) - 28.5

South Carolina ('13-'16) - 40

Villanova ('12-'15) - 34.5

Oklahoma ('12-'15) - 56

Wisconsin - ('10-'14) - 61.8

Michigan ('13'-16) - 44.75 - Also heavily weighted down by the 2015 when we only took Mo (Ranked 107)

I am not trying to argue with you in that recruiting helps, but you consistently throw out that you need 5*'s and great recruiting classes to be successful. I am just trying to provide an alternative viewpoint that there are teams in recent history that have had success without having the services love their recruiting. We have had 3 of our last 4 classes be ranked 31st or higher, which is good enough recruiting to have a legit chance to make a run at a final four, which we were close to doing this past year. That's all I was saying. 

Maizen

May 26th, 2017 at 12:26 PM ^

Sorry, but Michigan should not be lumping themselves in with South Carolina, OU, Oregon, etc. None of those schools have the brand name, money, resources, etc behind it that Michigan does.

Team recruiting rankings are weird because they are heavily dependent on the number of players you bring in, so throw those out the window. Until Michigan starts signing McDonalds All Americans they will not win a national title. Period end of story.